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[-] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 78 points 2 months ago

that billionaires exist is a failure to tax. its kinda simple.

[-] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

It's not a failure of anything. Billionaires are an inevitably of capitalism.

[-] MrPommeroy@lemmy.world 18 points 2 months ago

Yep.. It's just working as intended. Maybe not as advertised, but...

[-] nifty@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It’s not about capitalism, it’s about greed. There were and are plenty of greedy people in communist regimes

[-] 24_at_the_withers@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

Except capitalism could otherwise be called "Greed: The Game"

Capitalism takes greed and puts it to work as the center of an economic system. While greed has either destroyed or deformed communism any time it's been tried at scale, there's 100% no separating greed from capitalism - they're inexorably linked.

[-] nifty@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

The Nordic model proves that you can have robust welfare states while engaging in free markets.

China also shows that there’s some value to market socialism, but I am no economist so idk 🤷‍♀️

Oligarchy-esque politics, monopolies, and favoring short term gains over long term benefits are the main issues currently, I think.

I think many people would agree with welfare states like we have under the Nordic model, but many would not agree with Stalin-like Marxist-Leninism, or similarly extreme economic system.

[-] JoshuaFalken@lemmy.world 24 points 2 months ago

I haven't looked at any numbers, but surely if we taxed billionaires enough to turn them back into millionaires, we'd probably not have to tax anyone else at all.

[-] elrik@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago

The combined wealth of the ~750 US billionaires at the end of 2023 was about $5.2T. Total individual federal income tax revenue in 2023 was $2.2T.

So it seems non-billionaires could go federal tax free for 2 full years.

[-] Cosmonaut_Collin@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago

I think the better option is to close loopholes. Even if we increase taxes, they still have ways of avoiding taxes. We need to make it less avoidable for the rich.

[-] WalrusDragonOnABike@lemmy.today 5 points 2 months ago

Wouldn't that Tax the Rich+?

[-] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago

Can't hide land values

[-] jubilationtcornpone@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 months ago

I recently read some fluff piece predicting that Elon would be the first "trillionaire".

You have to be morally bankrupt to be that rich.

[-] RoyaltyInTraining@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago

I'd prefer taking away most of their fake money and gaining back control over our economy

[-] tilefan@lemm.ee 8 points 2 months ago

we need a space tourism tax immediately

[-] dohpaz42@lemmy.world -4 points 2 months ago

I disagree because there will come a day in the future, however distant it may or may not be, that folks of all classes will have affordable access to space tourism, and most folks (read: the non-rich) do not need to be taxed any more than they already are.

Now, taxing those who own space tourism is something I can get behind. Tax them for the pollution they generate for fueling their rockets. Tax them for any space debris they generate. And tax them for simply existing in the first place.

[-] Seraph@fedia.io 8 points 2 months ago

But how will we push so much money through lobbying without a 'fuck you i'm going to space' class?

[-] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

Yeah but let's watch them get into the rocket and fly off into smitherines first. Then we can tax them real good.

[-] phneutral@feddit.org 3 points 2 months ago

For any EU citizens I can recommend to sign this petition to the Commission: https://www.tax-the-rich.eu

[-] DumbAceDragon@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago
[-] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 months ago

Abolish money as a concept instead of half measures.

[-] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago

At this point money isn't going anywhere until nobody wants it anymore.

[-] wheeldawg@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago

Just find everything from their pockets first before you even ask us. Your tax rate is now related to the amount of the country's wealth you have. Counting all the stuff you moved out of country specifically to avoid this. That should actually count against them double to further disincentives doing so.

Maybe even worse in the first few years of the change so it will be extremely difficult for them to move back quickly enough to dodge some of the impact of this.

this post was submitted on 10 Sep 2024
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