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[-] tetrachromacy@lemmy.world 251 points 2 months ago

The first time the moderators countered his obvious dog-whistle lies I was absolutely blown away. You could have knocked me over with a feather. Then I started laughing and didn't stop.

The correction was really well done and completely natural by both moderators, I almost didn't register what happened. Love to see it.

[-] Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win 231 points 2 months ago

Donald's whimpering rebuttal of "but but I saw it on TV" objectively did the most damage to his image of everything I have seen to date.

[-] Dkarma@lemmy.world 90 points 2 months ago

This. He sounded like a 5yo.

[-] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 20 points 2 months ago

That's insulting to 5-year-olds. Many of them can actually complete sentences before going on to the next thought.

[-] DogPeePoo@lemm.ee 68 points 2 months ago

Especially from the guy who made the phrase “Fake news” famous.

He’s definitely sundowning.

[-] kibiz0r@midwest.social 18 points 2 months ago

It still blows me away that he managed to take over the term “fake news”.

It was introduced as a way to explain how social media was leading gullible people into MAGA, but he turned it into a term for persecution of MAGA by conventional media.

It was actually an incredible move. I can’t think of anything he’s spun that well since 2016.

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[-] KoboldCoterie@pawb.social 57 points 2 months ago

My favorite moment from the whole thing was when Harris offhandedly mentioned that his rallies were bad, and he spent a full minute of his rebuttal time insisting that his rallies were awesome, then started arguing with the moderators when they fact checked him. You could see that that, above everything else that went on, rankled him. It really highlighted the narcissism.

[-] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 48 points 2 months ago

The highlight for me for the whole debate was not Trump's pet-eating outburst but the perfect setup and execution Harris did to bait him into that unhinged rant instead of talking about immigration.

She "invites" people to go to Trump rallies. She follows up the point about people leaving rallies early with a note along the lines of: you're about to watch Trump not talk about you. Sure enough, he fell into the trap, and Trump talked about what he cared about most at that moment.

[-] Infynis@midwest.social 29 points 2 months ago

It took him like 2 minutes to do everything she said, right in front of him, that he would

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[-] auzy@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago

I'd say it is when he suggested migrants were eating people's pets 😅

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[-] Prandom_returns@lemm.ee 12 points 2 months ago

The thing is, he looked visibly confused. As if he truly believes that the things he sees on TV are absolute truth.

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[-] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 97 points 2 months ago

Too bad they let him continue to lie about the thing they just fact checked, let him talk beyond his allotted time, reapond when it wasn't his turn, and shut down Harris the one time she tried to respond out of turn.

The moderators crossed an extremely low bar on fact checking last night, but did everything else the same way they always have.

[-] Rhaedas@fedia.io 54 points 2 months ago

All his talking didn't help him at all. I don't think the Harris side cared about him self-destroying his image and giving lots for the talk shows later to make fun of.

[-] Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works 16 points 2 months ago

It gives him a platform. End of story. Every single minute he talks it allows for normalization.

[-] Bassman1805@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago

This works for some things, but it's like the parable of the boiled toad: you need to push on the edges of truth, not come out guns blazing with "post-birth abortions", "Immigrants eating family pets", and "Democrats wanted Roe v Wade overturned also"

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[-] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 45 points 2 months ago

It's complicated, since the Harris campaign wanted him to have more opportunities to ramble, interrupt and get mad. They were very much counting on him being himself and comparing that to someone who can speak in coherent sentences without getting mad.

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[-] ThePantser@lemmy.world 37 points 2 months ago

He shut her down twice. The one time was really over the line. But I loved the moderator saying there is no place in the USA that executing babies is legal. Wtf, 9 month abortions? Lol

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[-] DogPeePoo@lemm.ee 32 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

That really showed what a shitbag outfit CNN has become under it’s new conservative ownership group. They are a wolf in sheep’s clothing now.

“I would like to see CNN evolve back to the kind of journalism that it started with, and actually have journalists, which would be unique and refreshing,” he said. Then he suggested a model: “Fox News, in my opinion, has followed an interesting trajectory of trying to have ‘news’ news, I mean some actual journalism, embedded in a program schedule of all opinions.”

Malone’s comments didn’t resonate much beyond a couple of places: At Fox News, which responded with glee, and inside CNN, where they sounded alarm bells.

—New board member and billionaire John Malone, a legend in the cable TV business and one who has deep and longstanding ties with David Zaslav

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

CNN was much more honorable—the debate we had with Biden was a much more honorably run debate.”

The CNN moderators in June notably did not fact-check or question statements made by Trump or Biden during that event, as per agreed rules.

Emphasis added

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[-] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 229 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

They barely even fact checked him in the first place. They called him on a total of, what, three things? As opposed to the probably dozens of other complete untruths he uttered, not even just about policy and so forth but actual empirically verifiable elements of reality?

Here's just what I spotted:

  • Lied about not being involved with Project 2025 and not knowing what it is. We know he is acutely aware of what it is, and in fact some members of his staff were involved in its framing.
  • Lied about the number of immigrants coming into the country.
  • Further lied stating that other countries were "sending all their criminals and mental patients."
  • Claimed people were "aborting" babies after birth (called out by moderators).
  • Claimed Harris said she would ban fracking in Pennsylvania (called out by Harris).
  • Lied about crime rates going "through the roof" (called out by moderators).
  • Responded to this by claiming FBI crime stats were falsified by "leaving out problem cities."
  • Lied about migrants eating people's pets (called out by moderators).
  • Lied about inflation numbers post-pandemic.
  • Lied claiming that "Biden" built the Nordstream pipeline.
  • Distorted the truth by claiming he won more votes than any sitting president in the last election, failing to mention that Biden still got more.

There were probably others.

He also essentially admitted that his plan for the war in Ukraine was to just let Russia win. That should be pretty damn worrisome for anyone.

[-] pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online 83 points 2 months ago

I wish they had pushed him harder on the simple yes or no questions.

Also, Harris missed a perfect opportunity to point out that Trump has been the only president that has advocated a gun ban. "take the guns and figure out due process later"

[-] PhAzE@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 months ago

The yes/no about "should Ukraine win the war" he wouldn't answer anything except that he would end the war. He would just give up Ukraine to Russia to end it, though, and he didn't want to say that on TV.

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[-] frezik@midwest.social 25 points 2 months ago

I'm sure he was completely truthful when he said he didn't read Project 2025. It would be very surprising if he read anything besides Mein Kampf.

[-] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 2 months ago

The only way he actually read Mein Kampf is if it came in picture book format

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[-] simplejack@lemmy.world 83 points 2 months ago

If you don’t want to be fact checked, maybe don’t repeatedly insist that Florida’s abortion ballot measure will legalize killing newborns.

[-] Steve@startrek.website 13 points 2 months ago

Already legal in many states, happens every day. Don’t you watch tv?

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[-] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 74 points 2 months ago

No mic should ever be placed near this man again.

[-] Nougat@fedia.io 59 points 2 months ago

Pence: Please do not place me near this man again.

[-] Dkarma@lemmy.world 23 points 2 months ago

The fly: do it. I'm hungry

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[-] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 68 points 2 months ago

Conservatives are mad that "they only fact checked Trump", and yeah, there's some truth to that...

But they let him tell so many little lies unchallenged. They only fact checked him on the egregious stuff like "Haitians eat pets" and "post-birth abortions".

Harris may have said some half-truths or omitted context for a few things, but she never told a single non-truth comparable to the things Trump got fact checked for.

The worst actual post-debate criticism I've heard for Harris was that she continues to say that Trump will enact Project 2025 and a federal abortion ban as president, despite his statements denying support for these things. The thing is, Trump is a huge fucking liar, and a Republican, so yeah, she's right to keep saying what he will absolutely do as president, despite his lies to the contrary.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 23 points 2 months ago

Harris may have said some half-truths or omitted context for a few things, but she never told a single non-truth comparable to the things Trump got fact checked for.

The problem with Harris is that she's a professional politician who knows how to skirt the line. So you can challenge her on a point and she can clarify it in her favor and then PoliticoFactCheck has to do a 500 word article getting to the nut of the issue (and they'll get called liars for their biased interpretation too).

But "Black people in Ohio are eating all your dogs" is much more straightforward and easier to debunk. Same with "infanticide is legal in California".

Trump is a huge fucking liar, and a Republican

He's ForwardsFromGrandma tier racist. Even as lying goes, it comes across as weird and vulgar.

[-] cultsuperstar@lemmy.world 18 points 2 months ago

Didn't he also get like an extra 5-7 minutes of talk time? He would "answer" a question, Kamala would giver her rebuttal, then he would be like "wait a minute I need to respond to that" and they would let him.

[-] Plavatos@sh.itjust.works 18 points 2 months ago

Yeah, definitely a double standard on mic control. Any time he opened his mouth they turned his mic on, she tried once and they did a hard pass. Hell, even while they refuted his dog eating claims his mic was on talking over the moderator.

And that's because all of the media loves Trump. They have a bias, sure, but they know the crazy shit he says sells views/headlines and that's their business, informing the public is a byproduct.

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[-] cheers_queers@lemm.ee 17 points 2 months ago

we know definitively that trump is tied to project 2025, so yeah she's going to keep saying that.

[-] a9cx34udP4ZZ0@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

a federal abortion ban as president, despite his statements denying support for these things

They straight up asked him the question, and he refused to answer it. So, she didn't tell a "half truth" - he literally refused to say he would veto a national ban when directly given the opportunity to do so.

As for project 2025, it's his playbook. Whether or not he will specifically call it that, doesn't change the fact it's how he wants to dismantle the federal government.

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[-] nifty@lemmy.world 56 points 2 months ago

The problem is that no one fact checks him in his personal life, so he thinks it’s just a thing his political opponents do. But the reality is that no one thinks it’s worth the time to correct his wrong way of thinking, esp. when he can be a useful idiot and use his wrong ideas to distract from the issues at hand

[-] abracaDavid@lemmy.today 55 points 2 months ago

It drives me crazy knowing that anyone takes this absolute clown seriously.

[-] BruceTwarzen@lemm.ee 36 points 2 months ago

It drives me crazy that no one asks him normal ass questions. Like: can you elaborate? Can you point at it on a map? Do you know what that word means?

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[-] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 32 points 2 months ago

Repeat the lies early and often and the general population will eat it up.

Carlin's quotes about average American voter still rings true today.

[-] kofe@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago

This was one reason I appreciated Harris repeating "Project 2025" several times. There's likely voters that didn't know about it, and it's possible her saying it enough got it in their heads to look it up. Can you tell I'm trying to be optimistic?

[-] shinratdr@lemmy.ca 16 points 2 months ago

What’s even sadder is that he would 100% be president right now if he didn’t constantly stick his foot in his own mouth.

Everything about Trump makes him one of the most awful human beings alive, and yet he would be the leader of the free world if he wasn’t also incredibly thin-skinned & stupid.

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[-] treble@sh.itjust.works 42 points 2 months ago

Should have been locked up ages ago, but seeing him this humiliated almost makes up for it.

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago

Oh no. No, no we have a long way to go before anything makes up for it.

[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 30 points 2 months ago

“The press is so dishonest in this country, it’s amazing,” Trump said. “Now, I didn’t mind because frankly I was pretty sure that’s what they would do. CNN was much more honorable—the debate we had with Biden was a much more honorably run debate.”

I felt better about the one where I creamed the senile old guy. The one where a younger, Black, WOMAN was awful.

He also said that the full context of his quotes on Charlottesville make it clear that what he’d said was “absolutely perfect.”

It was a perfect phone call!

Nevertheless, Trump claimed the evening had gone well for him. “I’ve been told I’m a good debater,” he said. “I think it was one of my better debates. Maybe my best debate.”

You're right, you've never done better. Way to go, shithead.

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[-] lemmy_get_my_coat@lemmy.world 24 points 2 months ago
[-] exanime@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago

well, cunts tend to do just that

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[-] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago

Shut HIM down. Lying sack of shit fully believes his own shit. That is strongly indicative of mental deviance enough to disqualify any politician

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[-] chemicalprophet@lemm.ee 15 points 2 months ago

I demand the shitgibbon be shutdown. Did you hear me? I demanded it!

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[-] Etterra@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago

Don't worry Mr. Orange, I called emergency services for you.

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