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Docker Raises Prices Up to 80 Percent | ServeTheHome (www.servethehome.com)

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[-] fuzzy_feeling@programming.dev 152 points 2 months ago

the enshittification begins...

[-] LedgeDrop@lemm.ee 122 points 2 months ago

Begins?!? Docker Inc was waist deep in enshittification the moment they started rate limiting docker hub, which was nearly 3 or 4 years ago.

This is just another step towards the deep end. Companies that could easily move away from docker hub, did so years ago. The companies that remain struggle to leave and will continue to pay.

[-] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 25 points 2 months ago

When that happened our DevOps teams migrated all our prod k8's to podman, with zero issues. Docker who?

[-] sudneo@lemm.ee 21 points 2 months ago

Why would anybody use podman for k8s...containerd is the default for years.

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[-] xantoxis@lemmy.world 132 points 2 months ago

Folks, the docker runtime is open source, and not even the only one of its kind. They won't charge for that. If they tried to make it closed source, everyone would just laugh and switch to one of several completely free alternatives. They charge for hosting images, build time on their build servers, and various "premium" developer tools you don't need. In fact, you need none of this, you can do all of it yourself on whatever hardware you deem to be good enough. There are also many other hosted alternatives out there.

Docker thinks they have a monopoly, for some reason. If you use the technology, you are probably already aware that they don't.

[-] hperrin@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

If they tried to close source it, someone would just fork it.

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[-] ExperiencedWinter@lemmy.world 95 points 2 months ago

Anyone looking for a free drop in replacement, I've been using Rancher Desktop without any issues https://rancherdesktop.io/

[-] lostinasea@lemmy.world 77 points 2 months ago

I've been using podman desktop (https://podman-desktop.io/) which is also free. I've never heard of rancher desktop so I'll have to give that a look!

[-] SirAramis@lemmy.ca 18 points 2 months ago

I second Podman. I’ve been using it recently and find it to be pretty good!

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[-] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 18 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Rancher is owned by Suse, which is mainly a solid steward in the community.

They also have k8 frontend called Harvestor. It can run VMs directly, which is nice.

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[-] KellysNokia@lemmy.world 69 points 2 months ago

Wait...y'all were paying for Docker?

[-] lepinkainen@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

Corp accounts, Docker Desktop isn’t free for non-personal use

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[-] RmDebArc_5@sh.itjust.works 61 points 2 months ago

I thought docker was FOSS? What exactly are they charging you for?

[-] thorisalaptop@lemmy.world 100 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Docker Engine (which is the core of what people think of as “Docker”) is FOSS. Docker Desktop (which most people rely on for local development) is free for individuals but I believe the license says companies over a certain size are required to pay.

And on top of that the paid plans also come with support, which large businesses frequently require, and private repositories on docker’s image repository.

[-] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 41 points 2 months ago

This is the correct response.

At my job we've been asked to remove Docker desktop unless it is absolutely necessary for a client project.

I've just been using Docker through command line via WSL and that's good enough for me.

[-] kameecoding@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago

I don't see any use for Docker Desktop, you can see the running containers in a gui instead of just typing docker ps in a terminal, damn what a fucking awesome and needed thing, it's gonna totally come in handy when I do deployments through the terminal and I didn't learn the commands

[-] UnsavoryMollusk@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

Especially when your ide/editor has a plug-in that does the sane thing than docker desktop anyways

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[-] MigratingtoLemmy@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago

I am baffled as to why people want a GUI for Docker, of all things

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[-] magic_smoke@links.hackliberty.org 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Glad I run everything in a VM. If you want my money you can accept donations, and sell support contracts.

The moment you hide features or code behind a paywall or proprietary license, is the moment you no longer get my fucking money.

Granted random weirdos who donate to FLOSS projects probably weren't paying dockers bill anywho.

[-] AreaKode@lemmy.world 24 points 2 months ago

Support. If your a business, you pay to keep uptime high. This is unnecessary for most people.

[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 11 points 2 months ago

If you're a business and need uptime you shouldn't be using Docker Desktop in the first place

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[-] rombert@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago

Ability to pull more images from Docker Hub.

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[-] Shimitar@feddit.it 52 points 2 months ago

Podman guys... Podman All the way...

[-] OpenPassageways@lemmy.zip 16 points 2 months ago

I don't think you even need Docker licenses to run Linux containers, but unfortunately I need to deal with this because I have some legacy software running in windows containers.

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[-] gencha@lemm.ee 42 points 2 months ago

Their entire offering is such a joke. I'm forced to use Docker Desktop for work, as we're on Windows. Every time that piece of shit gets updated, it's more useless garbage. Endless security snake oil features. Their installer even messes with your WSL home directory. They literally fuck with your AWS and Azure credentials to make it more "convenient" for you to use their cloud integrations. When they implemented that, they just deleted my AWS profile from my home directory, because they felt it should instead be a symlink to my Windows home directory. These people are not to be trusted with elevated privileges on your system. They actively abuse the privilege.

The only reason they exist is that they are holding the majority of images hostage on their registry. Their customers are similarly being held hostage, because they started to use Docker on Windows desktops and are now locked in. Nobody gives a shit about any of their benefits. Free technology and hosting was their setup, now they let everyone bleed who got caught. Prices will rise until they find their sweet spot. Thanks for the tech. Now die already.

[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I actually thought this headline was a joke (i.e. adding 80% of 0 to 0 equals 0), until I clicked the link to see that people actually pay for Docker? I guess this is for Enterprise?

I have never really had much use for it, so never have installed it, but it seems like everyone here uses Docker, which is surprising given the cost and what you just said.

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[-] art@lemmy.world 32 points 2 months ago

Hot take: Good for them.

This will have zero impact on 99% of independent developers. Most small companies can move to an alternative or roll their own infrastructure. This will only really impact large corporations. I'm all for corporation-on-corporation violence. Let them fight.

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[-] beerclue@lemmy.world 30 points 2 months ago

Are You guys really pulling more than 40 images per hour? Isn't the free one enough?

[-] pop@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 months ago

On Lemmy, it's a sin to make money off your work, especially if it is opensource core projects providing paid infrastructure/support. You can only ask for donations and/or quit. No in-between.

[-] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 months ago

Even at work we don't pull that many, and we have dozens of developers.

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[-] gencha@lemm.ee 9 points 2 months ago

A single malfunctioning service that restarts in a loop can exhaust the limit near instantly. And now you can't bring up any of your services, because you're blocked.

I've been there plenty of times. If you have to rely on docker.io, you better pay up. Running your own NexusRM or Harbor to proxy it can drastically improve your situation though.

Docker is a pile of shit. Steer clear entirely of any of their offerings if possible.

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[-] aniki@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 2 months ago

We just build from scratch and pull nothing

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[-] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 28 points 2 months ago

https://podman.io/

[-] turkelton@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

How is the transition from docker to podman? I'm using two compose scripts and like 10 containers each. And portainer to comfortably restart stuff on the fly

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[-] heavy@sh.itjust.works 19 points 2 months ago

Oh shit, what would I do without..... Scout Analysis?

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[-] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 2 months ago

you didn't need anything like docker with web 1.0; you just needed cuteftp and a text editor.

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[-] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 months ago

Enshitification is a very, very real thing. GitLab did something similar with raising pricing by 5x a few years back.

[-] randon31415@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

Is this the program that open source people use to install all the random depencies that their program needs to work? The one that people tell me to use when I complain about git bash pico sudo pytorch Install commands?

Or did another company copy their name?

[-] gsfraley@lemmy.world 29 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I mean, they're one implementor of about 10 that use the same container standards. It sucks that they were first so their name is now synonymous with containers a la Kleenex, but the technology itself is standard, very open and ubiquitous, and a huge step forward in simplifying deployments and development lifecycles that would otherwise be too complex to reasonably handle.

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[-] ArtVandelay@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

Are there any decent alternatives to docker hub for pushing images if I'm just a hobbyist?

[-] areyouevenreal@lemm.ee 21 points 2 months ago

Github has a container register you can use.

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