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An old comic still relevant (discuss.tchncs.de)

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[-] Mac@mander.xyz 10 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Alternative opinion:
Car companies should stop making normal cars and instead only make hardcore vehicles. I'm talking race cars that are challenging and uncomfortable to drive.
manual only, aggressive clutches, loud gears, stiff suspension, non-adjustable seat, no heat, no ac, no radio, etc.

Then while they're making this change we expand the shit out of mass transport and infrastructure!

I can assure you that nobody wants to daily drive my race car. lol

[-] SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee 4 points 5 hours ago

I want all of those things. I can assure you, I want to drive a V8 loud as fuck, manual thick clutched, wide tired, non AC, non radio, rear wheel drive, fucking street menace of a vehicle.

But I also want an absolute rehaul of our infrastructure to include high speed rail for the entire country, and comprehensive pricing that is subsidized by the government with my tax money and provided for free if I need it.

[-] HerrBeter@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago

You don't take responsibility nor pay for the externalities

[-] Car@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 7 hours ago
[-] lone_faerie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 24 points 12 hours ago

I feel like a more accurate (though much less catchy) name for this community would be !fuckcarcentricsociety. Cars are awesome! They're fun to drive, feats of engineering, and in the right conditions like a rollercoaster without tracks. They just fucking suck when they're practically required to live. I'm as big a proponent for public transit, you shouldn't need a car to get to your job or grocery store, but you can't look at something like F1 and say that's not exhilarating.

[-] Zementid@feddit.nl 4 points 3 hours ago

It's not even car centric in the US or you would have way more roundabouts instead of traffic lights.

I don't know what the US is, but it's shitty for everyone, including cars. The difference is, that cars are comfortable to sit in, but the actual driving is a nightmare compared to Europe. (And walking half a mile in the summer sun from the car to the stadium on a concrete parking lot should be attributed to car centric infrastructure too).

[-] SSJMarx@lemm.ee 13 points 9 hours ago

Something that NotJustBikes brings up in one of their videos is that the Netherlands' incredibly bike- and public transit-oriented infrastructure makes driving a car (for those who want or need it) much more pleasant as well.

[-] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 4 points 11 hours ago

but you can’t look at something like F1 and say that’s not exhilarating.

strong disagree. perhaps in the 60s and 70s - before we understood that ICE was spewing carbon dioxide and ruining the ecosystem sure.

Today? F1 is a fucking travesty - rich assholes burning crazy amounts of fuel to speed around in circles taking more from future generations every fucking lap.

If it were all electric powered by renewable resources harvested nearby I'd have less of an issue, but anything combusting is a giant middle finger to your own children. "Sorry skippy, even we knew, we still didn't give a fuck to stop the silly games."

[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 8 points 9 hours ago

Today? F1 is a fucking travesty - rich assholes burning crazy amounts of fuel to speed around in circles taking more from future generations every fucking lap.

While I don't disagree that spectating races is boring, the amount of CO2 those put out pale in comparison to commutator traffic or the container ships running bunker fuel. We could have EV races and if each manufacturer entered their base models, could help with adoption. We could also make the ICE races run biogas(methane from antibiotic digesters) or biodiesel(tractor pulls could easily adopt that with only a small lowering of performance that all the tractors would share).

but anything combusting is a giant middle finger to your own children.

All consumption is.

[-] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

All consumption is.

consumption for production is one thing, entirely optional, benefitting only one party entertainment coming at the cost of everyone else?

that's a dick move.

[-] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

In the modern world, all consumable products are made with energy from fossil fuels or transported with fossil fuels. You need to be constantly thinking about the supply chain, even if you only use public transportation. Favoring Green or greener options the whole way or simply abstaining from certain optional activities.

[-] lone_faerie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 7 hours ago

The emissions from 20 cars driving in circles for a few hours a week could continue until the end of humanity and still be just a drop in the bucket compared to the amount of damage the production industry has done up to this point.

[-] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world -1 points 7 hours ago

bud the bucket overflowed a long, long time ago. now it's pouring over the rim, and you're like: eh, it's just a few thousand tons of CO2 every year, for funsies, it won't matter.

it all matters. you're just too vroom vroom to fucking care.

[-] lone_faerie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 6 hours ago

The emissions from the cars themselves isn't even 2000 tons of CO2. That's 1/200000 of 1% of annual emissions. If you're that concerned, you shouldn't be on this site because the server, your computer, and your router are all adding CO2 to the atmosphere.

[-] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

it all matters. you’re just too vroom vroom to fucking care.

[-] lone_faerie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 5 hours ago

Then you better not live in a house, turn your lights on, use your computer, go to the grocery store, go see a movie, go to a concert, buy anything at all, travel any other way than by foot. Or you could put your effort into something that'll actually make a difference.

[-] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world -1 points 5 hours ago

quack quack quack, sure bud, you know the math, it's easy to figure out: you're adding to it... FOR FUN.

I don't.

Don't worry, one day you'll get there, and meanwhile, your children will rightfully despise you regardless.

[-] lone_faerie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 4 hours ago

Oh, so now it doesn't all matter?

If you really don't do anything fun that contributes to CO2 emissions, you don't do anything fun at all. Unless you live in the woods and survive off nuts and berries, you're doing something that contributes to worsening the atmosphere.

[-] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world -1 points 4 hours ago

you’re doing something that contributes to worsening the atmosphere.

Yes, I live in society. I don't take my entertainment from watching idiots dump burned hydrocarbons into the atmosphere, though. Only someone sick in the head sees that and thinks: ooh, ah, this is FUN.

this all really hurt feelings, didn't it, vroom vroom?

hope it keeps you up at night.

[-] lone_faerie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 4 hours ago

No, you just get your entertainment from arguing with strangers on the internet (which accounts for way more emissions than F1 does)

I'm gonna sleep so well tonight knowing I get to wake up tomorrow and watch vroom vroom while you watch paint dry

[-] lone_faerie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 10 hours ago

I agree the environmental impacts are certainly an issue, but the emissions from the sport alone aren't that bad, the worst is from all the travel done on private jets between locations. They've also done some work towards being more eco-friendly. The cars run hybrid V6s instead of V10s and by 2026 will use fully renewable biofuel. There's also Formula E, which is an entirely electric motorsport.

There's just some things an ICU can do that an electric motor can't. It's simply impossible to get the same amount of power as an F1 car from purely electric propulsion at the same weight.

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[-] Doxatek@mander.xyz 10 points 13 hours ago

How I felt last week in my busted up 350k miles shitbox when there was a Lamborghini and Ferrari beside me crawling through traffic. Even once we were out of gridlock their average speed was probably the exact same as mine. My car costs probably 500 dollars and there's cost literally a 1000 times more than that. Made me feel good. Also made me feel like ramming them just because

[-] yonder@sh.itjust.works 11 points 13 hours ago

As it turns out, road speed is limited by laws, safety and traffic, not the HP of your car engine.

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[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 11 points 14 hours ago

I love the groceries in the front seat because there's no room anywhere else.

[-] yonder@sh.itjust.works 4 points 13 hours ago

Even though some sort of trunk or storage could totally fit without increasing the vehicle volume.

[-] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 7 points 13 hours ago

1969 and it is still relevant.

[-] SimplyTadpole@lemmy.dbzer0.com 39 points 18 hours ago

As someone who has a big guilty pleasure for sports/performance cars and racing in general, this comic actually explains really well how I'm able to reconcile that with my dislike of car-centric infrastructure and wishing for better public transportation: without other means for getting around cities for people who don't care much about cars (i.e. most people), everyone will be forced to use cars for basic transport, meaning really clogged highways and traffic jams that directly affect you and your fancy sports car's enjoyment.

Conversely, if infrastructure was more accommodating for bikes, trains and buses to make them more viable, most people would use them, leaving the streets and highways freer for you to have fun driving your sports car the way it was meant to, instead of being stuck in traffic jams most of the time.

I just wish most people who are into cars realized this, instead of raving about how "they want to take away our cars!" and fellating Andrew Tate and other shitheads.

[-] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 9 points 16 hours ago

Why aren't sport cars rented instead of sold? Only place you can really use them is the race track.

[-] Two2Tango@lemmy.ca 11 points 16 hours ago

Lots of racetracks sell packages like this, pay $$ to take out a certain car or groups of cars. But for lots of people it's just as much about the tuning/improving of their own car as it is about the driving.

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[-] ramjambamalam@lemmy.ca 9 points 16 hours ago

Au contraire, my Fuck Cars fellow. A sports car's agile handling and peppy acceleration are enjoyable even at street legal speeds. They are of course most enjoyable when driven nearer to the limits at a track, but most stock "sports cars" require some modifications to be reliably driven under such intense conditions.

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[-] Randelung@lemmy.world 9 points 14 hours ago

That's what I tell people. The reality of driving sucks. You might be in love with your fantasy of a 500 HP beast, but

[-] GhiLA@sh.itjust.works 4 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

meanwhile on an open mountain road on a Sunday afternoon

"Woooooo!!!!!"

Where you're driving is as important as what. You'd love to drive a Civic Type R.

In a hospital? Maybe not.

[-] ultracritical@lemmy.world 4 points 13 hours ago

Nah, FL5 Type 5 has hill assist, rev match, anti stall, and brake lock. With really comfy bucket seats. At speed you got Honda's bitchin adaptive cruise control and lane keeping assist. It's as comfortable as a manual car can be for commuting and traffic. 10/10 would recommend as daily driver.

[-] Randelung@lemmy.world 3 points 13 hours ago

The fact that it needs to be open means 99% of people can't be there, which includes 98% of 500 HP car owners.

[-] henfredemars@infosec.pub 72 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

While I can afford it, I intentionally have the smallest, most efficient vehicle I can possibly get away with owning while still meeting my mandatory social requirement of having a vehicle.

Due to a lack of public transportation, it is required. There’s no other practical means I can use to do the 45 minute commute to work, short of perhaps buying a motorcycle which puts me at risk due to the predominance of huge SUVs. I’ve considered an E bike, but we don’t even have sidewalks on this route.

I just can’t swallow investing in something that either sits outside or sits in traffic. I don’t use half of what that little four banger is capable of.

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[-] Sludgehammer@lemmy.world 14 points 18 hours ago

The groceries in the passenger seat are a nice touch, because of course there's gonna be no trunk space.

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[-] Katana314@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago

I’ve always wanted to do this in video form - have a montage of heroic car ads that just crossfade together with tons of shots of those gas guzzlers sitting at red lights and in traffic.

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