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[-] LarmyOfLone@lemm.ee 13 points 18 hours ago

The problem is that electronics make you dependent on a expensive, long and fragile and closed source technology. This is the opposite of liberation. Except for prosthesis of course.

Ideally we'd rather have 3D printed sensory and internal organs to augment ourselves. Things that don't wear out but can repair themselves and grow to become truly part of our body. Augments that last a lifetime and ideally extend our lifetime.

The ultimate would be a type of biocomputer that we directly control with our brain and that can alter our body. Which is science fiction of course, but imagine meditating to reconfigure your body in some internal space, like changing your sex from male to female and then slowly growing towards that over a few months. That is far off obviously, but it marks the goal we should move towards. Not electronics or mechanics as a foreign object, but biological systems that become part of us.

[-] tabular@lemmy.world 5 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

The issue exists already in wheelchairs being hard to repair and internal pacemakers incorrectly shocking people with unmodifiable software. Most electronics suck in terms of ownership but there are some which do not. With the electronics inside you, and connected to your brain, it becomes even more important that the user is the one in control. I hope we can progress to that with cyborg tech too.

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 15 points 1 day ago

I've been ready to completely swap my body for a fully cybernetic shell ala Ghost in the Shell since, well, Ghost in the Shell.

[-] JohnEdwa@sopuli.xyz 17 points 1 day ago

So did I. But after the new Deus Ex games and looking at the real tech scene evolve recently, I'm feeling more and more that just maybe Togusa had the right idea staying natural.

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 4 points 20 hours ago

Say what you will about his lack of robot body; but if had been using a normal automatic instead of an old school revolver, he could have put two trackers on the suspect.

It's just living up to their part of the deal: if I'm going to get the dystopia part, I damn well better also get the cyberpunk part.

[-] Iamsqueegee@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 day ago

I prefer the chummer variety of future cyberpunk-y dystopia.

It has dragons!

[-] Mirshe@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

The dragons are oligarchs.

Sure, but at least they're cool oligarchs?

Like, I'd go have a beer with Lofwyr, even though you totally know you'd end up being eaten.

But like, Elon Musk? Fuck that, I'd rather stay home.

[-] Banichan@dormi.zone 1 points 1 day ago

SLOT OFF FRAGFACE

[-] tabular@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago

Hearing colour might be cool but I'd really like to upgrade my memory storage, and rocket punch.

[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

It's probably straightforward to map the wavelengths of the visible spectrum to the wavelengths of audible tones. But the choice of mapping is subjective and any further interpretation/effects even more so.

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

hearing colour might be cool

You could just do LSD to get temporary synesthesia for that. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[-] tabular@lemmy.world 1 points 16 hours ago

Infrared and ultraviolet though 🥺

[-] jdeath@lemm.ee 9 points 1 day ago

Neil Harbisson is the world’s first officially recognised human cyborg

fucking bullshit. stephen hawking couldn't function or communicate without his chair & computer. you’re gonna say that doesn't count? then i don’t trust your judgement

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 8 points 1 day ago

I think the term cyborg is reserved for actual replacement parts or implants. Because if you count Hawking using his chair, you'd have to conclude that whatever caveman that first used a tool is the real first cyborg.

[-] fogstormberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 22 hours ago

why not though? i support cyborg caveman theory

[-] jdeath@lemm.ee 2 points 21 hours ago

yep, same here except i think power-source makes a slight difference to the degree of cyborginess. maybe we need a scale. maybe something like:

  1. caveman with tools, self-powered
  2. ancient person using naturalistic propulsion methods (wind, animals) for vehicles (ships, chariots) etc
  3. engine (steam, electric, gas) powered entities (vehicles, factories, aircraft)
  4. direct nervous system integration for thought-based control
  5. shared consciousness
[-] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 1 points 13 hours ago

I feel a cyborg needs to be a single self contained entity and 3 sounds like just vehicles.

[-] Chozo@fedia.io 4 points 1 day ago

I think generally, assistive devices like Hawking's wheelchair/speech synth wouldn't qualify one for the title of "cyborg", since they're replacing lost/damaged functionality, and didn't grant him any abilities not already available to the average person. Whereas Harbisson's modification is giving him additional abilities that he didn't previously have and are outside of the typical human experience.

[-] JohnEdwa@sopuli.xyz 8 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

Replacing lost functionality is also acceptable for a cyborg, but Hawkings simply didn't replace any organic part of himself, he used external devices. Someone with cochlear implants or a total artificial heart totally should count as a cyborg though - they have integrated mechanical body parts (well, both are partly external I guess...)
But it doesn't really make sense that just because this version of a hearing implant doesn't give you better than normal hearing, having an identical device that did would be the difference between being a cyborg or not.

[-] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 3 points 1 day ago

I call my hernia mesh one level of dermal plating

[-] jdeath@lemm.ee 1 points 21 hours ago

hernia mesh brother! that's a great idea, I'm stealing it! my man

[-] baduhai@sopuli.xyz 3 points 1 day ago

I know somebody who has implated hearing aids. If they're not a cyborg, I don't know who is.

[-] jdeath@lemm.ee 1 points 21 hours ago
[-] tabular@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Those are a part of the image of Hawkings but not a part of his body.

[-] mechoman444@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Wait... They did a remake of cyborg? Is Van Damme in it?

[-] deathmetal27@lemmy.world 1 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

Reading the article, it looks a lot more like The Terminal Man.

[-] deathmetal27@lemmy.world 1 points 22 hours ago

This is some "Terminal man" shit right here.

[-] Eheran@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

"upgraded", sure sure.

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