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Description: A picture titled “Russian plants” in a 3 x 3 grid with one of the grid items being Jill Stein, the rest are flora.

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[-] MisterScruffy@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 hours ago

This post is sponsored by Lockheed, Raytheon, and AIPAC

[-] CCF_100@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 hours ago

I must be too American to understand this one ^^;

[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 hours ago

Now do zionist plants. I hope you have a whole book.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 7 points 6 hours ago

It sucks that common mugwort is still illegal here in Indiana. Thankfully, there's a dispensary about 30 minutes away in Illinois.

[-] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 hour ago

Wait does it have psychoactive properties? First I'm hearing of mugwort, sounds like a witch should use it.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 59 minutes ago

I think you need to take a closer look at the plant labeled as mugwort.

[-] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 47 minutes ago

Oh I see the joke lol. It doesn't really look that much like weed and other plants do have psychoactive properties too sometimes, tbf! Haha.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 27 minutes ago* (last edited 26 minutes ago)

Dude, that's literally weed.

This is mugwort.

[-] Stoneykins@mander.xyz 12 points 8 hours ago

No one person, thing, or organization I regularly interact with has tried as hard as lemmy.world to convince me she is some kinda fucked up spoiler effect politics demon.

Maybe dems should actually try to make ranked choice voting happen for real, instead of lip service to the idea, if they want the people who prefer third parties to support them. And maybe dems should attempt to do anything at all to address the concerns of the third party voters, instead of just threatening them with trump some more. Just some ideas that might alleviate the problem more effectively than getting really mad at people on the internet.

[-] anarcho_blinkenist@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

It's very weird having scrolled in my feed toward the world stuff. It almost seems artificial, like the redditors all collected here with all the hivemind weirdness and astroturfing.

and yeah, Democrats would rather send their dark-money and 'venture-capitalist'-funded PAC lawyers to purge 3rd parties from ballots (really democratic, Democrat party; I'm writing in PSL regardless if they can't get back on and telling everyone I know to) than make themselves appealing at all to the people abandoning their moribund and redundant party 'like rats from a sinking ship'.

They would rather fight with the Republicans over the (shrinking) voter base of rich and upper 'middle class' petty bourgeois rightwingers, and alienate all of their leftwing base, and continue abandoning the 35-50% that straight up don't vote for either of these duopoly-of-exploiters in this fascist-and-vampire show, than reorient toward positions of "not genocide" or "not nuclear-brinksmanship forever-war proxy-wars" or "not-constantly bipartisanly increasing and expanding the US military and neo-colonial racketeer system which is incidentally one of the leading contributors to climate change."

or "not continuing filling the world with CIA torture camps" or "not being just as or in some ways more right wing than trump on immigration somehow

It's telling that they refuse to do any of these things a large portion of the population wants; to the point where Muslim groups are advocating voting for 3rd parties who aren't for drinking the blood of Palestinians (apparently a tall order for US politicians), and instead would rather put so much effort into demonizing and crushing 3rd parties who do advocate against these things.

I don't even know if they're capable of not flying to the right and pandering to right wingers more and more due to their donor base. Their structure is inherently based on funding and campaigning and working for the worst billionaire imperialists and arms-dealer death-merchants in the world and AIPAC and tech monopolies etc. If we all pushed up the PSL to hold their working class margins hostage that they (unlike republicans) actually rely on and take for granted, they might break in half trying to reorient. Maybe they'd float a reformist party to prevent everyone going socialist against the open-fanged republicans who nobody ever had any illusions about and half the dems who are basically republicans will join them, and the other half will flee to the new reformist party (probably alienating their "left wing" into more radical politics because that party would become democrat-ified)

People just want to be lied to about the Democrats that they're different and 'acting resistance' at all to the republicans, when they're really not that different


and where they (barely) are different, they just capitulate and help the Republicans do whatever they were going to do, in the name of "bipartisanship" and "reaching across the aisle". Like when Obama had both houses of congress and refused to enshrine women's bodily autonomy and LGBTQ civil rights into law. And then gave away a free Supreme Court seat in capitulation. Then Biden denounces the idea of pushing to expand and pack the court because it'll "politicize the court" as if that ship isn't gone past the horizon forever, while doing nothing as women's and LGBTQ rights are torn down throughout the country, even with a Democrat president. It's almost like they don't actually care, or even like when women's rights and LGBTQ rights are under attack because they can drum up fear about the republicans and look 'better' by comparison after creating the problem in the first place, and keep the vampire-and-fascist (dog-and-pony) show going, and get all the gullible liberal votes that "they'll vote for us anyway


we're not the republicans" Which circles back to why they're so scared of and pushing demonization and repression of 3rd parties I guess. That's a pretty sweet cruise-control-deal they have hoodwinking the populace in a sort of face/heel drama for their 'audience'

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

People just want to be lied to about the Democrats that they’re different and ‘acting resistance’ at all to the republicans, when they’re really not that different

There is a fundamental difference between Liberal Democrats and Conservative Republicans with regard to domestic policy and social issues. That's why you've got folks like Obama and Hilary and Biden bending on gay marriage, throwing kickbacks to the domestic EV market, playing ref between Big Business and Unions, and occasionally kicking some money back for student debt relief. This, while Republicans seem to prefer anti-Trans witch hunts, bailouts to failing coal companies, a court packed full of Pinkertons, and full privatization of the education sector.

I'm sympathetic to folks who see the choice between Trump and Harris as a question of whether we're going to do full scale Final Solution shit to the LGBTQ community, because looking at Florida and Texas you can see legitimacy to that fear.

But when it comes to foreign policy? The MIC has both parties by the balls. This "Trump will be worse on Gaza" is pure cope. This is a campaign of extermination that Biden has actively facilitated. There's nothing left for Trump to do. Similarly, with Ukraine, the fear is that Trump's going to step in and deprive Zelensky of our latest arms shipment. He won't. Trump loves his arms deals almost as much as he loves his trade deals.

It’s almost like they don’t actually care, or even like when women’s rights and LGBTQ rights are under attack because they can drum up fear about the republicans and look ‘better’ by comparison after creating the problem in the first place

Domestically, liberals are perfectly happy to push Women's Rights and LGBTQ Rights amendments at the state level. The biggest hurdle for Dem state reforms have been shitty governors like Hochul and Newsome. When you have a Beshear at the helm, he's happy to rubber stamp progressive reforms even from a state as red as Kentucky.

Nationally, Biden fucking sucks. Harris sucks. Anyone who tells you otherwise is lying to you. But Dems do have people on their roster that don't suck. Dem populism does still exist, particularly in the smaller states.

But the Dems are trending towards a very scary nationalist reflection of the GOP. The Eric Adams style candidate is a fucking sociopath and they're as common to the party as any milquetoast Beto or SucDem AOC. The quality progressives - your Jamal Bowmans and Cori Bushs - are being drummed out of the party by big money. The Silicon Valley hucksters - your Gilibrands and Newsoms - are continuing to climb the ladder.

Its fucking crazy when you've got Dems clapping like seals over the Dick Cheney endorsement. Grim tidings for the future of the party.

[-] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 hours ago

It almost seems artificial, like the redditors all collected here with all the hivemind weirdness and astroturfing.

Because, of course, that's exactly what did happen. Lemmy isn't quite as bad as reddit (yet), but they're working hard to make it that way.

[-] Chapelgentry@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 3 hours ago

If only you could put that same effort into looking at the GOP. This post is disingenuous as fuck.

[-] Chapelgentry@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

"And maybe they should do it RIGHT NOW, and maybe I'll vote then but it'll still be for not Dems, and maybe they should also stop genocide, and maybe maybe maybe. .."

Did I capture your full wishlist there? Anything else you'd like now without regard for how long it takes?

[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Did I capture your full wishlist there?

No. Not even close.

But yes having a liberated and democratic society that doesn't support genocide is pretty high on the list.

[-] Stoneykins@mander.xyz -4 points 5 hours ago

Have fun being really mad on the internet I guess

[-] Chapelgentry@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 5 hours ago

Whoa you think that reply was someone being mad? Oh boy you're in for some disappointment as I chuckled, wrote my response and went on with my day.

[-] SassyRamen@lemmy.world 8 points 9 hours ago

Oh man! Making the russian flag out of her and using her hair as the white is golden!

[-] crystalmerchant@lemmy.world 4 points 3 hours ago

Actually it's white

[-] SeattleRain@lemmy.world -4 points 3 hours ago

Libs seething that Greens won't compromise on genocide.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 9 points 3 hours ago

They're terrified, because the election is close and a reliable liberal voting block - Arab Americans - is increasingly disenchanted with a liberal leadership that's pandering to fascists.

If too many Deerborn, Michigan residents defect from the Harris ticket, liberals are going to be foisted with another four years of Trump. And then the Arab-Americans will be to blame, of course. Not the AIPAC lobbyists or the MIC merchants of death or the O&G land-thieves or the domestic white nationalists. Its those stupid Arabs and their pro-Russian Jill Stein agenda.

[-] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 hours ago

I still remember back in January? February? Libs were telling me that Gaza wouldn't be a factor in this election, because nobody really cared.

[-] frezik@midwest.social -3 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

They will 100% compromise on war crimes. It'll just be for ~~Ukraine~~ Russia rather than Israel. Edit: make sure I'm clear on who I'm talking about.

[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 hours ago
[-] frezik@midwest.social 2 points 2 hours ago
[-] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 hour ago

According to Jill she was there to...

deliver the—one of the main messages of my campaign, which is that war has failed in the Middle East and that we need a peace offensive consisting of a weapons embargo and a freeze on the funding, the bank accounts of those countries that are sponsoring terrorism. At the time, Russia had just begun to bomb Syria. And my message was that Russia was following in the disastrous footsteps of U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East.

So ironically she was actually there talking about a very similar subject in a way to this exact post, war in the middle east. Good to see she hasn't changed her policy, I guess.

https://www.democracynow.org/2017/8/1/jill_stein_on_trump_as_a

[-] frezik@midwest.social 2 points 53 minutes ago

Can I get a dinner with Putin where I tell him he shouldn't do bad things in the Middle East? Because as far as world leaders are concerned, Jill Stein is only slightly more important than you or me, unless Putin has a much more specific reason.

[-] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 45 minutes ago

I bet if you were the Green Party's (or even the Libertarian's) nominee for the 2016 presidential race you could, in 2015, yes.

Probably not now but things have changed a little since then if you haven't noticed lol.

[-] frezik@midwest.social 2 points 40 minutes ago

Dude, that statement above is brazenly self-serving. She wasn't there to do anything about the Middle East. You only get dinner invites with Putin if he expects to get something from you. Doubly so when Michael Flynn is sitting right next to him.

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