Tim Walz makes direct appeal to conflicted Muslim voters : usa

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 month ago

This is how he "makes direct appeal to conflicted Muslim voters"?

But the expansion of Israel and its proxies is an absolute, fundamental necessity for the United States to have the steady leadership there.

Full transcript text of the 1st oct debate

I mean after this muslim Americans should be less conflicted about not voting for the selfadmitted Greater Israel supporters, sure.

[-] delirious_owl@discuss.online -3 points 1 month ago

Why are you afraid to use the word "zionist"?

[-] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago

?

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago

What? You sure that is answer to my comment?

[-] delirious_owl@discuss.online 1 points 1 month ago

Yes. You said "greater Israel supporters". Just use the word: he's a Zionist.

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 month ago

Greater Israel is a specific idea within zionism, zionism on steroids. While it's definitely what Israel is going for, most zionists at least officially don't espouse it because they still to try to pose as defending side etc. etc. So "Greater Israel supporter" is even worse than just "ordinary" zionist.

He's not only a zionist, he's turbozionist, and all the blue maga here should turn into corncobs

[-] delirious_owl@discuss.online 1 points 1 month ago

OK. Zionism is a settler colonial project by definition. Its necessarily racist.

So anyone who is a Zionist believes that they are superior than the indigenous population that they genocide or displace. Therefore, its hard to imagine a Zionist who doesn't want to steal more land from the people around them who they think are lesser people.

I mean, I guess there's a sliver of folks that justify historic misdeeds, but its easy to see that the majority of Zionists would fall under this "greater Israel" ideological umbrella.

So my point is, just call him a Zionist and be done with it.

[-] banshee@lemmy.world -5 points 1 month ago

Thanks for sharing a link to the transcript. Walz misspoke and conflated Israel for Iran. His response was vague but only asserted the need for steady leadership.

Vance said he would support a preemptive strike from Israel:

And we should support our allies wherever they are when they're fighting the bad guys.

The Jewish Chronicle certainly doesn't think Walz is a Zionist:

In touch with the anti-Israel segment of the Democratic base, Walz urged a Middle East ceasefire in March. And when 18 per cent of Minnesota Democrats cast protest votes against President Biden over Israel policy, Walz reacted respectfully: “Take them seriously. Their message is clear, that they think this is an intolerable situation and we can do more, and I think the president is hearing that.”

https://www.thejc.com/lets-talk/analysis/tim-walzs-record-on-israel-and-antisemitism-is-deeply-concerning-gpdbj6ut

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

You blue magas are incredible, they can say anything, do anything and you will still defend them. Ok then but don't pretend that your genocide loving asses are on left of fucking Trump when Trump promise genocide and your liberal darlings not only promise but PARTICIPATE in genocide.

[-] banshee@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago

Say what you want but I learned my lesson from the first Trump presidency. Don't let that dangerous fool anywhere near the White House again.

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I'm pretty conflicted about it. I want to see the most possible harm done to American empire (with least possible harm done to anyone else) and on one side Trump was incompetent enough to do some of it, but then Biden came and did so much more of it, so i'm not even really sure who would be better (or rather who would be worse).

Though main concern i guess is the fundamental question to which i simply don't know the answer: which party is less likely to say "apres mois, le deluge" and push the button or at least start "short, victorious war" but with nukes. Usually i would 100% point to republicans, but last two governments seen Trump backing in last minute from his planned aggression on Iran and Biden causing the proxy war in Ukraine (which thankfully don't currently have big chance to escalate in WW3) and at least allowing and supporting the massacre in Palestine (which have potential to go nuclear).

[-] banshee@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

Then you should definitely fight against a second Trump term. He previously encountered numerous guardrails and systematically worked to dismantle them. Military leaders have warned against a second presidency, emphasizing Trump's chaotic and irrational behavior. He has expressed his love for authoritarian leaders and has turned to promoting Christian nationalism.

Trump will harm as many people as possible while enriching those with the greatest wealth.

[-] banshee@lemmy.world -1 points 1 month ago

Speaking of Trump not caring how many people he hurts...

Trump Says Israel Should Bomb Iran’s Nuclear Facilities and ‘Worry About the Rest Later’

https://www.mediaite.com/trump/trump-says-israel-should-bomb-irans-nuclear-facilities-and-worry-about-the-rest-later/

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago

Speaking of Walz not caring how many people he hurts

[-] banshee@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

I wouldn't use a Fox News screenshot as any form of reference. Here's his statement:

“But again, the point is it — it’s Iran that is at the heart of this and their proxies that bring disruption throughout the region,” Walz added. “That’s why being in the Situation Room, as the vice president was working with the Israelis to repel the attack we saw this week, they tried it back in April, the same thing. And that’s the point of being and boxing Iran in,” he said, arguing Trump allowed Iran to get closer to having nuclear weapons by pulling the U.S. out of the Iran nuclear deal.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/10/06/tim-walz-fox-tv-interview-00182620

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Even that Politico rag don't believe him ("Walz downplays past false statements in rare interview" right in the headline) and call him about his turbozionism and this interview only confirmed it, even in your quotation and few next sentences he already speak as US was in open war with Iran

[-] Fidel_Cashflow@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Walz misspoke and conflated Israel for Iran. His response was vague but only asserted the need for steady leadership

this is either incredibly naive or intentionally misleading. his response was full support of Israel's expansion as a necessity for US foreign policy.

‘Strong record of supporting the U.S.-Israel relationship’: a look at Tim Walz’s votes on Palestine as a member of Congress (15 Aug 2024)

A review of Tim Walz’s time in Congress from 2007 to 2018 shows he supported multiple Israeli wars on Gaza, rejected the international consensus on the illegality of West Bank settlements, and opposed any unilateral declaration of a Palestinian state.

Tim Walz: How does Kamala Harris’s VP pick view Israel, Palestine, China? (7 Aug 2024)

In reality, though, Walz has never diverged from the party line of unconditionally supporting Israel, a position illustrated by his comments earlier this year at an event held by the Jewish Community Relations Council.

“The ability of Jewish people to self-determine themselves is foundational … The failure to recognise the state of Israel is taking away that self-determination. So it is anti-Semitic,” he said.

While sitting in Congress from 2007-2019, Walz voted to condemn a United Nations resolution that Israeli settlements in the West Bank were illegal.

Walz has not spoken publicly on calls to divest from Israeli companies.

Kamala Harris selects Tim Walz, pro-Israel Minnesota governor, as her running mate (6 Aug 2024)

He also expressed support for Zionism and said those who do not recognize Israel are antisemitic this June at an event held by the Jewish Community Relations Council of Minnesota and the Dakotas.

He traveled to Israel on a 2009 diplomatic trip to the Middle East during which he met with both Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Syrian President Bashar al-Asad. He also voted with his party to allocate foreign aid, including to Israel

[-] banshee@lemmy.world -4 points 1 month ago

Lol. These articles are a little silly. The first article complains that Walz voted Yea on the purely symbolic H.Res.34 in 2009, along with 389 other representatives...

I think you want Walz to be the bad guy. I refuse to idolize any politician, but calling Walz a Zionist is rich.

[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

So zero concessions on not committing Genocide. This has to be worse than Trump saying real Jews vote for him. Tim Walz is such a massive piece of shit. Imagine starting the sentence with this propaganda when appealing to Muslims lmao.

The vice president’s working every day to ensure that, to make sure Israel secures itself, the hostages are home,

Reminder that this is the truth about Tim Walz: Anti-war activists in Minnesota: 'Governor Walz has refused to meet Palestinian families'

When they explained to the governor's staff that they had come to discuss "material solutions" with the governor and not merely to narrate "sob stories" about the loss of their loved ones - given that it was now almost a year since the war on Gaza began - the two staffers abruptly got up and returned 15-20 minutes later to inform them the meeting had been cancelled.

[-] SoJB@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Liberals will project about shills, bots, and astroturfing and then completely unironically make up propaganda about how relatable and family friendly Walz is while conveniently ignoring any discussion about the DNC ticket’s actual politics.

"The expansion of Israel and its proxies is an absolute fundamental necessity for the United States..." - a literal unedited quote from Tim Walz, DNC VP nepo baby

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 month ago

[-] delirious_owl@discuss.online -1 points 1 month ago

Don't post pictures of text

[-] curiousaur@reddthat.com 11 points 1 month ago

Muslims around the world are making a direct appeal to you too. Disarm Israel.

[-] TheOubliette@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 month ago

Walz's rhetorical strategy: "just accept the Israeli Lebensraum project".

The guy that sent the national guard at George Floyd protesters is not your friend.

[-] AfricanExpansionist@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 month ago

Libs on Reddit and Lemmy: "Withholding your vote isn't how democracy works. If you don't vote they won't care about you"

[-] banshee@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Withholding your vote is synonymous to voting for Trump. Trump does not have a moral compass and only cares about himself. He most certainly does not care how many people die in Gaza or anywhere else.

In other words, withholding your vote is voting for genocide.

[-] Fidel_Cashflow@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

that's not how voting works. if I don't vote for trump is that automatically another vote for harris? they don't take the non-votes and just give them to the candidate you like least. I've always found this stance very silly. Even sillier since American elections aren't decided by the popular vote anyways.

additionally, withholding your vote is the only way to maintain leverage with politicians, since they do not listen to the policy demands of their constituents. policies that have broad support among the populace (medicare for all, an Israeli arms embargo/ceasefire) are not even a consideration for them. how do you expect them to change if you pledge your support to them anyways? at some point they have to realize that ignoring the demands of their voter base is going to cost them elections, which it should.

[-] banshee@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

History disagrees with your opinion. A large part of the population does not vote in any election, and far right citizens are committed to making their voice heard in every one. When left-wing voters withhold their votes, the Overton window naturally shifts right.

Electors are generally bound to the local popular vote. Candidates can absolutely win the election without winning the popular vote overall though.

[-] AfricanExpansionist@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

Does Harris have a moral compass? Biden? Anyone in Washington? They're all selling guns to Israel

[-] banshee@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Yes. People have evidently forgotten just how dangerous, delusional, and chaotic Trump has been since 2016. He could care less how many people die as long as he isn't one of them.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 month ago

What an idiot, directly bombing his chances by going full mask off zionist. Zero concessions. Hope he likes losing the election due to his massive zionist tendencies (and Kamala, Biden, Trump, etc)

[-] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The Democrats riding hard for Israel being a spoiler to the election has been a big concern of mine since the DNC. It's really disappointing to see this, going against the vast majority of their constituents, against international law, against even domestic law, and for what? They've had every opportunity to change course and squandered them all so far. If the Democrats lose this election, it's entirely their own fault for ignoring their base of support.

[-] delirious_owl@discuss.online 7 points 1 month ago

Wow, what a shit article. It doesn't even include the word Zionist.

[+] pyrflie@lemm.ee 6 points 1 month ago

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