The more I think about the Jonkler 2 the more I realize just how good it was. People say it’s done as a reaction to the first film, that it tries to back away from the type of people who related it to it. If anything, I thought it doubled down on its messaging, only that it actually spelled it out in this movie.

This movie is bleak, one of the most depressing films I’ve seen maybe ever, and it truly had a lasting, saddening effect on me. While the first was entertaining in its escapism, this one is relentless in pushing the idea of pure despair. Over and over again it tries to reminds you there is no virtue to mentall illness, there is no glamour, and there is zero hope for anything better for anyone afflicted with it in this country. It feels like whiplash to people, as if it’s completely disjointed from the first but damn, I think it makes duology a masterpiece.

The saddest thing is that the first had to make like a billion dollars, under the guise of cape shit, for this one to be made.

You can make more money with a flop than with a hit!

Imagine making 20 millions as a director to lose 200

I liked the movie a lot.

Yeah it would have worked if they waited another 5 years before trying to beat the horse for nostalgia value. They were impatient.

People saw the first film as a novel concept with a new exciting take on a classic character. People are going to see the sequel as something... not fresh.

It was actually not bad. It stumbled on the ending but did a lot of things well for the DC universe’s « La La Land. »

Didn't even know this movie had been announced until I'd heard it was bombing. I never watched the first one so odds were pretty slim I'd have seen it anyway.

I haven’t seen it but was looking forward to it until I heard it’s a musical. Just why

I did watch it, although I had been warned. I figured the calls of it being a musical had to be inflated - they weren't. If you cut the singing, you'll have about half the runtime.

That in and of itself isn't even bad, albeit not my cup of tea. However what really annoyed me, was that NOTHING happened. It was basically a slice of psychic ward life story. One with an explosive but blue-balled ending. It was basically just the script writers trying to make Lady Gaga sing a lot - well a job well done I suppose.

It actually annoys me a lot, because the cast was great and delivered exceptionally well in their acting. The premise and setting also had a lot of potential, but what we got was more of an art-house low-budget movie with great actors but terrible script

roughly $100 million to market and distribute.

And yet this is the first time I'm hearing that it's out

I just don’t understand. The first was a novelty that did surprisingly well, I had no expectation that this would be anywhere as successful. Who’s making these estimates?

That's okay. In a year or two they'll call it a "cult classic" and make another anyway.