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and Chinese civilians
Holy shit this part made me physically uneasy. They're basically telling you to fear Chinese people cause they can be "spies". Red scare and Cold War propaganda vibes.
and we see the effects of that already unfortunately
literally yesterday i saw someone in a linux community on here saying a foss project isn't trustworthy bc it's developed by a chinese citizen
I find people in tech to be rabidly sinophobic as a rule
Beijing is conducting espionage activities on what Western governments say is an unprecedented scale, mobilizing security agencies, private companies and Chinese civilians in its quest to undermine rival states and bolster the country’s economy.
Reads like pure projection. Like if you change the wording to:
Washington is conducting espionage activities on what anti-imperialist governments say is an unprecedented scale, mobilizing security agencies, private companies and American civilians in its quest to undermine rival states and bolster the country’s economy.
It's basically just what the US has been doing for decades.
I'm sure China is doing some covert offensive things. It'd be a bit odd if they weren't considering they can't have any lasting peace while the western empire is still going. In that sense, it's more like defensive offense, most likely, in the same general meaning as Palestine trying to survive a genocide when they take out an occupier tank. Some of it's probably real, some probably fabricated to manufacture consent for cold war, but either way, the characterization of it reads like very clear projection.
The real complaint as always is that China's just better at it.
US government workers when a Chinese looking person slightly looks in their direction
A Congressional probe said Chinese cargo cranes used at U.S. seaports had embedded technology that could allow Beijing to secretly control them.
HAHAHAHAH
... latest Chinese hack, which compromised systems the federal government uses for court-authorized network wiretapping requests.
Only WE get to spy on our people! No fair! You aren't allowed to know who we're spying on!
China-backed hackers outnumber all of the FBI’s cyber personnel at least 50 to 1, according to the U.S. agency.
The USA's education system isn't all that great and our IT infrastructure is pretty much based on extracting time/energy/money from its users instead of being a secure tool for information sharing.
Complicating the West’s response: Unlike with autocracies such as Iran or Russia, trade with China has for decades supported Western economic growth, which in turn underpins the West’s long-term security.
That feeling when your economic system loses the information security game to somebody else on on the world stage due to the decisions influenced by your economic system... chef's kiss
gonna need a source that isn't the CIA
There's nothing really controversial here given the size of the population in China. It's a big country with a very good education system, so it's not difficult for China to put together an espionage network that's on a bigger scale than what the west is capable of.
It's perfectly plausible of course, but i'm still gonna need some evidence. At this point i don't trust anything coming from western media until i see it independently confirmed.
Oh yeah for sure.
sounds like a skill issue
sucks to suck
How do we know that this isn’t scaremongering?
We mostly don’t know. But we do know they’ll take any & every opportunity to smear China, and they aren’t above just making random shit up, and the harder it is to call them on their bullshit the better.
China doesn’t play by the old-school spy rulebooks, intelligence officials say. It doesn’t seem to care if it is caught red-handed and, unlike Russia, it rarely makes efforts to swap its spies when they are arrested.
This sounds like made-up bullshit, and I doubt they feel the need to back up the claims, because who’s gonna call them on it? And who has the time & resources to disprove them? Even assuming every one of these hacks is real, I suspect many have no connection to the Chinese state. They’re just hackers hacking for fun or unsavory profit. But I can’t prove my hunch.
Sounds like they miss all the old cold war spies who played both sides.
I'm sure scaremongering is the point of the article. That said, I have no doubt that China is able to put together a better intelligence network than the US.
Even if all of this spying activity was real (there is a 0% chance that more than 10% of it is), the American government certainly deserves to be spied upon. Hell, even the article claims
China also purged a whole cadre of officials working as U.S. spies a decade ago.
Further fueling paranoia were allegations by former U.S. intelligence contractor. Edward Snowden that the U.S. had extensively hacked Chinese infrastructure including mobile phone networks.
You spy on a country the country spies back at you. Seems fair, no?
indeed, the article is just whinging that China is better at it
this post was submitted on 16 Oct 2024
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