Why are the Canadian women of ISIS coming home without being charged? : canada

[-] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 67 points 1 year ago

If they are still legally citizens, the country cannot refuse them entry to the country.

[-] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Sure, but aiding and abetting an organization that is legally recognized and sanctioned by Canada and pretty much all other developed countries as terrorist group has to run afoul of some law.

Like, what the fuck are these people saying to the customs reentry officers when they ask what they were doing in Afghanistan or Syria or whatever for the last several years? “Just some stuff, don’t worry about it”?

Edit: clarification: I am aware that it is considered a violation of human rights to render a person stateless. I am expressing surprise that the former terrorists returning to Canada weren’t immediately arrested on terrorism charges upon entry.

[-] hddsx@lemmy.ca 39 points 1 year ago

It doesn’t matter if they murdered half the world. Canada cannot deny them entry. Now, they can allow entry and take them straight to jail. But that is still allowing entry into their country of citizenship

[-] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 year ago

Well yeah; that’s what I mean. I’m surprised they weren’t taken straight to jail, pending trial.

[-] nyan@lemmy.cafe 5 points 1 year ago

Our jails are crowded and some of them are falling apart. Put them in jail after trial by all means, if their sentences so dictate. Putting them in jail before trial is only a good idea if they're flight risks or a danger to others (which some of these women might be, I admit, but you need at least a figleaf of justification beyond "ISIS bad"). If they're in jail, the money to feed, clothe, and house them comes out of our tax dollars, which may be better spent elsewhere.

(That's in addition to the fact that some of them could still be found not guilty, in which case you've just held innocent people in jail.)

[-] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago

…these people spent anywhere from a few years to a decade aiding, abetting, and enabling terrorist extremist groups. I would absolutely consider them a flight risk and a potential danger to others, under the circumstances.

Don’t get me wrong - the US justice system is idiotic in a myriad of ways, but if a US citizen tried to return to the country after years of gallivanting around with ISIS or Boko Haram or whatever other extremist group you’d care to name (pointedly: any extremist group, not just specifically Islamic-identifying ones), I would fully expect the US customs agent to call in the federal marshalls the second it became apparent that they’d probably been off doing sketchy shit with terrorists. And I say that because I would further expect the FBI to have clued in on the fact that they’d been doing that, and would probably have a case file on them, and perhaps charges pending, and likely even a warrant out for their arrest.

[-] Touching_Grass@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago

Turns out we all move on from these massive conflicts pretty quickly. I married a korean

[-] soulshot@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Go touch more grass please.

[-] jerkface@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago

I don't see how you think not letting them return to the country is a responsible solution to any problem.

[-] clif@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Making it someone else's problem is always a possible solution to your problem.

Semi /s, I think?

[-] MapleEngineer@lemmy.ca 34 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

As Canadian citizens they have a Section 6 right to return to Canada. You know, the same Section 6 right that the fucking tantrumists thought was being taken away because no country would take them during the pandemic because they weren't vaccinated

[-] Touching_Grass@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

Its a much worse situation when a government can strip you of citizenship. Not about to give that up for a couple shit birds

[-] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 year ago

Calm yourself. It's not easy to deny someone entry to their birthplace, nor to remove citizenship when they have nothing else.

Stop watching Pierre and his endless drama and you'll be fine.

Go learn.

[-] cobra89@beehaw.org 6 points 1 year ago

Why isn't the liberal government just suspending the constitution?!?111??? 🙄

[-] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

International reputation and wanting to be able to deport immigrants that commit crimes here

[-] LHookham@c.im 1 points 1 year ago

@fixerdude2 @sik0fewl
Did you read the article?

[+] yeather@lemmy.ca -7 points 1 year ago

Canada is bordering on New Wave Dystopia and failed state.

[-] MapleEngineer@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

Go back to r/canada.

[-] yeather@lemmy.ca -2 points 1 year ago

Nah you can go back to Reddit

[-] MapleEngineer@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago

I like it here. There's less of you anti-Canadian trolls.

[-] yeather@lemmy.ca -2 points 1 year ago

Likewise, maybe you should remove one and go back to Reddit. Make Lemmy better for the rest of us.

[-] MapleEngineer@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago

"I know you are but what am I?"

You are everything we've come to expect from the very best that the SinoRussian anti-Canada simp brigade has to offer.

[-] yeather@lemmy.ca -2 points 1 year ago

Lmao, not anti Canadian. I would love for Canada to be strong and thrive. Under the current government Canada has become a sickly Victorian child. High cost of living and the stripping of the rights of citizens has turned the current government corrupt and drunk with power. The only way to become strong again is to unrestrict citizens and spend less across the board.

[-] MapleEngineer@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

stripping of the rights of citizens

What rights, exactly, quoting chapter and verse of the Charter along with any relevant judicial findings do you think have been stripped from Canadians?

I've heard people claim that their Section 6 rights to travel across interprovincial boundaries unimpeded and to leave and reenter Canada was taken away after they drove across multiple interprovincial unimpeded because their Section 2 rights to freedom of assembly and protest had been taken away by freely associating and protesting in Ottawa that they couldn't leave Canada because no one would take them because they had exercised their Section 8 right not to be vaccinated. So obviously it wasn't Section 2, Section 6, or Section 8 so I'm interested to hear which rights you're convinced beyond question were taken away under this government.

EDIT: Downvotes are fucking useless on Lemmy. There is no Karma. No one fucking cares. So...give me all your pathetic, impotent downvotes. They don't change the fact that this is the truth.

[-] yeather@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I get throwing a lot of words at someone impressed them, but it doesn't work.

https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/canada-bans-new-handgun-sales-imports-latest-gun-action-2022-10-21/

https://fortune.com/2022/06/11/canada-gun-laws-control-us-school-mass-shooting-uvalde/

https://cssa-cila.org/a-brief-history-of-gun-control-in-canada-1867-to-1945/

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/canadian-journal-of-law-and-society-la-revue-canadienne-droit-et-societe/article/abs/firearm-rights-in-canada-law-and-history-in-the-debates-over-gun-control/AFCD4D8E42EC20F06B8B51E3D0019558

Here's a bit about the degredation of Canadian gun rights and how gun control in Canada is historically used to control and hurt minority groups.

Section 33 of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms is used to circumvent the rights of Canadians.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/civil-liberties-justice-reform-groups-165939139.html

Innocent until proven guilty, not anymore.

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/covid-19-pandemic-restrictions-vs-the-charter-of-rights-and-freedoms

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/emergencies-act-canada-2022-ccla-legal-court-1.6799416

https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/20/americas/canada-trucker-protest-covid-sunday/index.html

https://www.businessinsider.com/trudeau-canada-freeze-bank-accounts-freedom-convoy-truckers-2022-2?op=1

And all the fuckery involved with the freedom convoy, using the emergencies act and freezing the finances of protesters.

This is only the beginning. The government will push more and more to control and restrict its citizens, and most of you will let them.

[-] MapleEngineer@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You do not have the right to own a gun in Canada.

Proof

Next.

[-] yeather@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago

Why yes, having everyday citizens be able to purchase firearms since the countries existence, only to them remove such ability and make anyone who keeps the property a criminal isn't a degredation of rights and freedoms then you are blind.

Also, nice only attempting to refute one of my many points.

Next.

[-] MapleEngineer@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You made a Gish Gallop.

I didn't "attempt to refute" your arguments. I proved that you were wrong. You have no right to own a firearm in Canada.

[Montague] argued that the right to bear arms has always been a part of Canada’s Constitution. His arguments failed to convince the trial court. The Ontario Court of Appeal upheld the lower court’s ruling that there is no constitutional right to bear arms in Canada. Montague tried to appeal the case one more time, to the Supreme Court of Canada. On September 16, 2010, the Court announced that it would not hear the appeal. As a result, the ruling that there is no Canadian right to bear arms is settled constitutional law for the foreseeable future. The Supreme Court said in 1993 that “Canadians, unlike Americans do not have a constitutional right to bear arms.” Montague will not have a chance to change the Court’s mind.

Now that you've descended to name calling were done.

[-] yeather@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago

Rights and Freedoms. I have said many times, what you have as a right you have as a freedom, but you had as a freedom may not be a right. You had the freedom to own and operate firearms since the countries inception, but the current government is doing everything it can to remove the ability for its citizens to defend themselves, or any other lawful reason to use a firearm. To have such a right for many years only to take it away and make previously lawful citizens into criminal is a degredation of rights and freedoms. Good job also not discussing any other point and focusing on this one with nomenclature you didn't understand.

[-] MapleEngineer@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago

As I said, now that you've descended to name calling, we're done. If you want to talk to me you will be respectful of I will ignore you. No one owes you a response if you're being an ass.

[-] yeather@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago

Sounds good, thanks for not returning my points and then storming out when you lost. 👍

[-] MapleEngineer@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago

Danth's Law

[-] yeather@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

👍 cope

[-] MapleEngineer@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago

Under the current government Canada has become a sickly Victorian child.

You are clearly delusional. Canada is one of the best countries in the world to live in. You are definitely anti-Canadian if you're spreading this utter nonsense.

[-] yeather@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

A government drowned in debt, barely able to defend itself, going through multiple crisis', and attempting to restrict the rights and freedoms of it's citizens is sickly. Much like how Victorian children are portrayed.

[-] MapleEngineer@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago

Like I said, anti-Canadian nonsense. I love Canada.

[-] yeather@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

Not liking the current government isn't anti-Canadian dumbass. Id argue loving the government and the way it treats the people is more anti-canadian than anything.

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