Honey is a by-product of bees, the same way that all human made food is a by-products of humans.
so if I buy food from people I'm basically a cannibal
I think it’s more accurate to think of you trapping humans in your basement and leaving them a bag of groceries every once in a while. Then you go down there and take whatever they cooked with the produce. They get to eat what they make, you just get the leftovers. They also can’t leave.
Actually if bees don't like the hive you put them in, they absolutely will leave. I haven't had happen to me personally but I have heard of it happening to others; you put the package in and come back to find that 200$+ worth of bees just upped and flew away.
This isn't true for the vast majority of commercial honey unfortunately. If you're buying it from the supermarket, or any producer that operates at even medium scale, they'll clip the wings of the queen so that the hive is unable to leave even if they want to.
Sure if the humans have no idea they are in captivity and their lives are basically the same they would have been otherwise.
Maybe if we went around collecting raw food and storing it inside our bodies, and then converted it into a nearly pure sugar.
I've had an unreasonable number of arguments against people who seemed to think animal was a synonym for mammal. Thankfully, we're now in an era where you can look it up and show them now mobile data is cheap, so it's become a winnable argument.
if it needs to be pollinated by bees or wasps, then it's not vegan (insert troll emoji i guess)
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