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Resolved: Was banned for 3 days from News seemingly for no reason, no message, nothing just found it scrolling through the modlog (lemmy.dbzer0.com)
submitted 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) by Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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Edit: @Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com Contacted the moderator who did it on my behalf who admitted that this was a mistake, he sends his apologies. This incident though does highlight though the need for ban notifications as well as the need for a modmail system to contact community and site moderators.

I have left the post up with the original contents bellow as I feel it would be wrong to delete the post and rob people of the valuable information it contains, both in the post itself and in the comment section.

I messaged a mod from the community, not sure if that was the one who did it but this was weird. Not sure if it's power-tripping probably a mistake but it's certainly weird and seems like a knee jerk reaction since I didn't have activity in those last 10 days (I checked for votes too). Also no other bans in the modlog for "sock puppet account" so I don't even know why I would be singled out.

Why would someone think I was a sock puppet account? Because I have multiple accounts on different instances? Really weird...

Account is @Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world, I didn't post from that account since I try to keep each account on each separate instance (helps prevent accidental vote manipulation).

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[-] Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 month ago

I'm wondering if it was just because you have alts? But it's not against any rules to have alts afaik so long as you're not doing vote manipulation etc. And yours are clearly identifiable which is another point in your favour here. If you want me to reach out to the mod who banned you on your behalf, just let me know. They might not answer me, but it's maybe worth a shot.

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

How can you tell that they have alts?

[-] Flatworm7591@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago

Just search by user for "Draconic" and they are all clearly labelled. Personally I don't really see the point of it, but I don't really see a problem with it either.

[-] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Catboy.agency lol

[-] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago

Well the main reason was in the beginning I knew that servers might not last forever and I wanted to make sure I had backup accounts just in case, as well as for the purposes of negating possible federation issues (which I faced the moment I joined Lemmy.world). The more long term reason was that I thought in the future there might be a multi-account feature in Lemmy, so I wanted to have many accounts on Many different servers so I could so link them if and when that feature came into play. Looking back I'm not sure how likely it'll be to ever come, hopefully maybe, at the very least someone could develop a client which supports it.

On the Mastodon side it's simpler, I started on Mastodon.social, over time I grew to hate it because it was filled with spam, trolls, and very much limited by other servers, and I left and joined pawb.fun where a lot of the people I follow and want to follow are on. I joined dragonchat.org because pawb.fun was having outages and I still wanted to stay connected with some of my friends who were there. I joined chaos.social because I wanted a more general purpose non-furry instance to follow non-furry topics on, but still will not go back to mastodon.social. I believe I did make one on utter.online but I don't really know why.

I'm in social.sdf.org (Mastodon) and lemmy.sdf.org mainly because I'm an SDF member, though I've been a bit inactive lately. Haven't even really played on their Minecraft server. I should get back to doing that soon, I'm sure those guys miss me, and I left a lot unfinished there.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

I messaged a mod from the community, not sure if that was the one who did it but this was weird.

Lemmy really needs a modmail function. Playing mod roulette when asking questions is a fucking pain.

[-] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 month ago

I agree, this is really stupid having to message mods individually. @dessalines@lemmy.ml (maybe it was nutomic, I don't really remember right now) says it's because they don't want Lemmy to be a messaging platform, that mods should use external tools. I disagree. We need modmail and adminmail functions native to Lemmy, not needing to use funky bots or external tools.

We also need for bans to notify the people they're given to, otherwise it's as bad as shadowbans. I could've probably reached out about this days ago but I didn't even know it had happened, I don't look myself up in the modlog, I was looking to see if an unrelated incident had been actioned. Who knows when I would've found out if I hadn't been combing the modlog, weeks, months, would I have ever?

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

Bans do notify, I believe, if you're on the same instance as the community.

[-] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I don't think so, my account and the community in question are both on Lemmy.world and I never got any ban notification.

Edit, nope, doesn't notify. Just made a community on sh.itjust.works and banned my account there. The ban is shown in the sidebar but it doesn't give a notification when it happens, only indication when it is active.

[-] bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago

If you get banned from an instance, this won’t help. They delete the account outright and all its posts and founded communities.

[-] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 1 points 1 month ago

Modmail is much more of a gamble because you don't know if you potentially get the abusive mod on the other end, claiming to speak for the whole team.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Back on Reddit, the whole team saw modmail, even if another mod already responded to it. Also, I think the mod responses were visible to other mods.

[-] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 1 points 1 month ago

I guess that says a lot about the quality of Reddit mods then.

[-] AsudoxDev@programming.dev 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I might work on this. My implementation would be a simple backend route that simply messages all of the mods in a community (maybe with a [modmail] prefix as an indicator) Should be fairly simple. Like a bulk PM.

[-] my_hat_stinks@programming.dev 1 points 1 month ago

That approach seems ineffective to me, you'd end up with situations where every mod wastes time responding to the same thing or where no mod responds at all because they assume someone else will handle it.

Imo a better starting point is a hidden text post which notifies mods of a community.

[-] AsudoxDev@programming.dev 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yeah, but that increases the complexity. That was my first idea. If it is going to be more complex, then we can make a dedicated modmail page for the mods in a community. We possibly could reuse code from the report functionality. Actually, I'm sure the report system could be readjusted to just be a text from a user. The resolve function is perfect for mod assignments. Then the conversation between the modmail user and the mod can continue in the PMs.

edit: made a feature request regarding this: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/5110

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

I got banned individually from every single community on an instance without a single notification. The reason given in the modlog was one word "lib".

[-] InEnduringGrowStrong@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 month ago

Starting with 0.19.5, site bans also automatically create community bans from that instance's local communities.

[-] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 month ago

Is that actually a native lemmy feature? I think some servers do it as a bot to clear content and prevent interaction but unless I understand correctly the issue of handling users interacting with local communities after receiving a site ban hasn't yet been addressed. It's been proposed here to add a table to federate site bans to communities but that seemingly hasn't been touched or implemented yet.

[-] InEnduringGrowStrong@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago

It's in lemmy code since 0.19.5, kinda, but only triggers local community bans after a local site ban.
There's plenty of weird (to me) federation behavior.
Mostly... an instance admin cannot remove a comment from a local user if it's on a remote community. I mean... you can, but it doesn't federate to the remote community.

There's a few other things that are counterintuitive

[-] goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org -1 points 1 month ago

News comm going really crazy lately. Especially with having sudden new rules like you can't question mod actions in comments or ask why something was removed

[-] Blackbeard@lemmy.world 4 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

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