Kagi search engine working with Russia : privacy

[-] narc0tic_bird@lemm.ee 111 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I expected something more shocking when I read "working with Russia".

Kagi uses multiple search backends, and of course it needs to forward search terms to these backends. These backends probably can't trace the searches back to the individual Kagi user though, but Yandex could still analyze search trends for example.

What's worse is that - unless they use Yandex' API for free - customers indirectly (and likely unknowingly) support a Russian company with their paid Kagi subscription.

Kagi should at the very least release a statement about this claim.

[-] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 14 points 1 month ago

I am surpised yandex aint sanctioned tbh

[-] lemming741@lemmy.world 27 points 1 month ago

Same, but it's great for finding things US companies want taken down

[-] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 14 points 1 month ago

As much as i hate russia and their bullshit, you aint wrong.

A shrewd internet enjoyer could be using it as a cross reference to check their beloved megacorps offering🐸

[-] scorp@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

probably because U.S government employees use its reverse image search for how good it is

[-] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 6 points 1 month ago

Google nuked that feature... Hmmm

[-] montar@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 month ago

Aside from reverse image search Yandex is wonderful for obscure things like software reverse engineering.

[-] CHOPSTEEQ@lemmy.ml 44 points 1 month ago

It’s not a fucking reveal, Kagi tells you exactly what engines they include in their results.

[-] Darthou@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago

Do they? I remember seeing this in the past but can't find the information anymore. Now they only say "all major search providers" and that was part of the criticism in this "reveal". That they have become more opaque rather than being transparent about it.

This is all the official info I could find. Please share if anyone can find anything more. https://help.kagi.com/kagi/search-details/search-sources.html

[+] JustMarkov@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

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[-] Hexadecimalkink@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago

Yandex is a really good search engine 🤷‍♂️

[-] troed@fedia.io 6 points 1 month ago

Many of Yandex’s employees resigned in protest, accusing the company of serving as a tool of Kremlin propaganda and actively concealing information about the war.

https://www.zois-berlin.de/en/publications/zois-spotlight/the-sad-fate-of-yandex-from-independent-tech-startup-to-kremlin-propaganda-tool

[-] Hexadecimalkink@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 month ago

Go search palestine or ukraine on google news and tell me if you see unbiased news 😉

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago

they are also worki g with the us 🙄

[-] 4vr@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago

Similar controversy when Kagi added Brave search.

[-] HaleHirsute@infosec.pub 0 points 1 month ago

Hmmm keeping an eye on this thank you.

[-] Deckweiss@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

oof

And I was just thinking about getting a subscription.

Time to selfhost SearXNG instead.

[+] GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml -50 points 1 month ago

Ugh politics again. I hope the admins take this down very soon.

[-] folkrav@lemmy.ca 42 points 1 month ago

I have to admit - coming from a lemmy.ml user, this made me chuckle.

[-] PoorPocketsMcNewHold@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 month ago

Still not possible to transfer your account to other instances. https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/1985

[-] GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 month ago

Lemmy.ml is known for terrible moderation but I chose it just because I was new and it was official. Now I'd probably choose something else.

[-] folkrav@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 month ago

It’s more about it being a Marxist Leninist instance lol

[-] Zagorath@aussie.zone 5 points 1 month ago

They're known specifically for being pro-Russia, which is what made the comment amusing.

[-] Vitaly@feddit.uk -1 points 1 month ago

It's more about the fact that kagi pays yandex and yandex pays taxes to one of the craziest goverment in the world

[-] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago

feddit.uk

[+] GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml -8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Well Yandex isn't the best choice for anything obviously but (sorry for getting political again) imo US government is worse. And my comment wasn't about that even. The post doesn't have anything to do with privacy so it's offtopic and should be removed.

[-] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 4 points 1 month ago

Thats the thing... Do we know what kagi is sharing woth yandex or do we just trust they dont too much behond the query?

[-] ZeroHora@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago

The thing is we don't know, we can't know and the article just link to a youtube video that I can't understand shit.

They don't need to share things with Yandex, if they share anything valuable with any other major search engine is already fucking bad.

[-] GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml -4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

That's another story then. The current post is nothing but hate and politics. The title is clickbait and misleading. It should've been written completely differently.

EDIT: well there's no point in arguing with those who think they can blindly use any means possible to hurt Russia and anything related (or not) to it. It makes sense though still a bit stupid.

[-] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 2 points 1 month ago

The headline is trash for sure but comment section correct so social media worked it out

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