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[-] carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 78 points 1 day ago

i sincerely hope his actions haunt him for the rest of his pathetic life

[-] d00ery@lemmy.world 44 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I'm pretty sure they did.

Six months after he was first sent to fight, he was struggling with post-traumatic stress disorder [...] Before he was due to redeploy, he took his own life.

[-] TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 24 points 1 day ago

Too cowardly to do anything useful to make amends. Just let another conscript fill his space.

Brave enough to drive over Palestinians and call them "terrorists in their hundreds". Not brave enough to stand up to criticism from his countrymen. This is what spending billions of dollars on an asymmetrical war gets you: a system in which the weakest people can still take the lives of hundreds before being thrown away themselves.

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[-] Tyfud@lemmy.world 45 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Indoctrination is a hell of a drug.

Not saying these guys should be absolved, but they're doing this because they think they're the good guys/helping out.

We should be lamblasting their leadership and all of Israel's parliament that's enabling this.

But sometimes, soldiers are just soldiers/grunts. US Soldiers have similar PTSD after Afghanistan and Iraq. Not absolving them of sins, but when you're trained for most of your adult life to take orders and not question them, and then those orders include killing innocents, it's difficult to break from the indoctrination/control a group has had over you in the moment. Usually it's not until you're finished with your tour and you're back home and had time to decompress that you realize the horrors you witnessed and perpetuated.

Again, not justifying it in any way, but if we don't humanize Israeli soldiers, we run the risk of turning them into boogeymen like we did the Nazis. They were human too, and by not acknowledging that and how far humanity can go when they are supporting nationalist movements, we do great harm to any attempt to catch and correct these sort of things early.

There's no switch that gets flipped that turns people into monsters. The worst atrocities ever committed upon humanity were by other humans. We need to acknowledge that they're all human, or we risk repeating history.

[-] MellowYellow13@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

They made a choice, do not absolve people of what they are doing and continue to do, especially if it's fucking genocide, that's literally how these things happen as well as the Holocaust.

At some point, people have to stand up and say no, voice their concerns, and just simply do the right thing.

Literally read what you wrote, the world already did what you are scared about to the Palestinians and is continuing to do so, are you tone deaf?

How about we fucking Humanize Palestine

[-] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 day ago

I don't think it's either/or, having empathy for someone who killed himself because of the horrible things his country persuaded him to do doesn't preclude having empathy for his victims, and it doesn't mean absolving the crime. It is reality that everyone involved is victimized by war.

the world already did what you are scared about to the Palestinians and is continuing to do so

Part of how this was done is by using the emotional weight of atrocities for dehumanization of those claimed to be responsible. You might say that we don't need to acknowledge the humanity of everyone universally, because the murderers have crossed a clear line by their own free will. But there is a concerted effort to obfuscate that line and drag everyone into plausible complicity; mandatory military service, suppression and murder of journalists, manipulative propaganda campaigns, it's all effective and hardly anyone is genuinely immune.

Which isn't to say the framing in the OP article is right; saying slaughtering people like that is "difficult to accept", "psychological trauma", calling all the victims "terrorists", makes what should be an issue of recognizing and reacting to injustice into a problem of medical treatment to get people to be ok with doing the evil things the state directs them to do. That's more manipulative propaganda, and many people will be convinced by it. The simplest counter that is least subject to being twisted is the conviction that everyone is always human and should be treated with empathy, without exception.

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I hope not that he dies but that he lives to watch everything he cares about crumble to dust as he is powerless to the winds of change

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[-] yesman@lemmy.world 94 points 1 day ago

One of the reasons for creating the system of death camps was that Nazi soldiers and policemen tasked with murdering Jewish people and other undesirables had elevated rates of PTSD. Also, during the Cultural Revolution, the People's liberation Army switched to a lower caliber sidearm because all the executions were giving them carpel tunnel.

You don't want to loose sight of humanity just because you're committing atrocity.

[-] Nougat@fedia.io 46 points 1 day ago

I know that another driving force for the gas chambers was to preserve ammunition.

The earliest versions of gas chambers were essentially "piping truck exhaust into a building." They moved on from that in order to preserve metal (from the piping), fuel, and vehicles for other purposes.

[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 1 day ago

I think they were using vans or buses, not filling buildings with carbon monoxide. Smaller spaces.

[-] Nougat@fedia.io 6 points 1 day ago

Maybe? I know for sure they were doing piping into a building early on.

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[-] 9point6@lemmy.world 53 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I'm actually speechless.

I hope this guy suffers until his end.

If you run over HUNDREDS with a BULLDOZER, you deserve permanent PTSD to prevent you from ever fucking thinking of doing anything remotely like it again

[-] BMTea@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

I believe this particular quote is from a soldier who took his own life. How. Tragic.

[-] leftytighty@slrpnk.net 26 points 1 day ago

Too bad about the order of operations

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[-] MellowYellow13@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago

Gee I fucking wonder why you have trauma and PTSD??? Fucking moronic fucks, zero sympathy

[-] AshMan85@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago

Aww, war criminals

[-] rozodru@lemmy.world 42 points 1 day ago

ah Israelis and playing the victim, name a more iconic duo.

[-] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 31 points 1 day ago

Let me go get my Planck length sized violin.

[-] hperrin@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago

Child murderer.

[-] can@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 day ago
[-] microphone900@lemmy.ml 25 points 1 day ago

How naive of me to think "That can't be a real article. Surely they wouldn't publish themselves saying they crushed living and dead people by the hundreds with an armored bulldozer. They must know how abhorrent, insane, and shocking that sounds. Right?"

No. Of course the worst excesses of violence which had never crossed my mind are being done by the IDF. I'm... I have no words.

[-] can@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago

I'm at a loss too. I was going to write something with the links but what can even be said.

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[-] Disaster@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 day ago

Just as Chris Hedges predicted.

[-] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)
[-] v_krishna@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago

I got excited thinking there was DS9 content i hadn't seen

[-] glimse@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Hadn't heard of this before but it looks pretty good

[-] alleycat@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago
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