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#Firefox doesn't need any new features to be more attractive for users, it just needs to make CSS theming more accessible (s3.toot.io)

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#Firefox doesn't need any new features to be more attractive for users, it just needs to make CSS theming more accessible

Theme: https://github.com/Godiesc/firefox-one

#FirefoxCSS #browserwar #customization @firefox

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[-] ProfessorYakkington@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 hours ago

I like theming , I am already a Firefox user. I think the sad reality is that for more adoptions , in the order of numbers that chrome puts up , Firefox needs to be a default application ; the common users doesn't want to customize anything ( my hot take ).

I don't think it is important that Firefox gets to those numbers as long as they can generate enough revenue to keep going.

[-] xnx@slrpnk.net 4 points 14 hours ago

Zen browser is Firefox with easy css theming

[-] Etterra@lemmy.world 6 points 18 hours ago

Also ditch AI.

[-] prototype_g2@lemmy.ml 28 points 1 day ago

Honestly, I don't see why CSS theming is important. The customization is nice and all, but that's not going to make people switch to Firefox. There are many other things that could be improved, like adding tab grouping. I use this extension called Tree Style Tab which I cannot live without. Firefox having something like that by default instead of an extension would be nice.

However, having said that, OperaGX did find quite a lot of success by simply making it easy to theme the browser, so I can see where they are coming from.

[-] Olgratin_Magmatoe@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Tree Style Tab which I cannot live without. Firefox having something like that by default instead of an extension would be nice.

Been using TST for a while now, and I whole heartedly agree. Given that it's essentially just some CSS, I can't imagine that it would be difficult at all to support natively.

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago

On my list of things important for the browser I use, CSS theming doesn't even appear.

[-] clutchtwopointzero@lemmy.world 5 points 21 hours ago

CSS theming is absolutely dispensable

[-] Vincent@feddit.nl 44 points 1 day ago

Anyone who thinks they know what needs to happen for Firefox to regain market share, needs to consider what would happen if someone forks Firefox and makes that happen.

There's no way that CSS theming is it. And in general, "not doing something" isn't going to be it, either.

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[-] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 21 points 1 day ago

Only reason I use Chromium is PWAs (Web Apps). Which is why I made an extension that opens links from Chromium in Firefox.

Got Slack running in your work profile on Chromium? Opens links in Firefox work profile.

I should probably release this.

[-] KLISHDFSDF@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago

Same here. I have to trust/use an extension and third party desktop application (Progressive Web Apps for Firefox) to get this feature to work and not have to rely on Chrome/Edge/etc.

I can easily see less patient or understanding users dropping Firefox if they find out it doesn't work with Progressive Web Apps.

[-] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 3 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

My problem with that extension is the separate profile requirement (so new links can't open in a specific profile), and some things (like Slack) don't fully work outside Chromium.

My solution works like this:

Slack open as PWA in Chromium in profile Work
Click link to http://that
Extension captures the request, cancels the new tab/window, sends the URL and profile name to a small service running on localhost
Service opens Firefox with same profile to URL

The extension is set to skip this process if the base URL is the same as the current site (Slack.com/google.com/etc).

Note: Why would someone down vote you for a helpful response? Sheash.

[-] azdalen@beehaw.org 2 points 1 day ago

Didn't FF basically solve this with their Firefox Color addon? well, at least from a color them perspective.

[-] pedka@lemmy.ml 1 points 18 hours ago

its still quite limited

[-] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 73 points 2 days ago

Uh, no, they definitely need tab grouping before they get into making CSS theming easier.

[-] PrinzKasper@feddit.org 1 points 21 hours ago

I would very much welcome them adding support for HDR content too

[-] PoolloverNathan@programming.dev 5 points 1 day ago

Tab grouping is nice, but I've found Sidebery to meet my needs (specifically nested tab groups, and separating projects — plus it worked out of the box with Firefox Color) much better. I have it configured to automatically unload collapsed branches, which is nice as a tab hoarder, and it can fully send entire panels to your bookmarks for later usage (this is a massive performance improvement when you're regularly opening 100–200 tabs/day per panel). A native solution, however, would be much appreciated — as long as there's a way to nest tab groups and unload their contents.

[-] LazerFX@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

I went with floorp, because it allowed native title bar disabling, with task bar editing so I could inject a grab handle; vertical tabs in sidebery, and a clean, nearly-ui-free vertical.

[-] PoolloverNathan@programming.dev 2 points 1 day ago

I'm on Librewolf, but Floorp sounds nice!

[-] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

You can actually fairly easily unload tabs with about:unloads right now, but you have to do it in the order ~~Facebook~~ Firefox thinks they should be done for some reason.

Honestly, I don't know why, but sidebar tabs have just never worked for me. It makes no sense, but for some reason my brain just doesn't process them correctly.

But I agree, in general more fine-grained control of tabs would be the thing I would need in order to feel like Firefox was feature-complete.

Edit: Facebook? Wtf?

[-] tuna@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 2 days ago

Looks to be in the works which makes me very happy. If you use nightly, make sure browser.tabs.groups.enabled in about:config is enabled

https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/ideas/native-tab-grouping-more-customizable-tab-bar/idc-p/72706/highlight/true#M39420

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[-] Dirk@lemmy.ml 83 points 2 days ago

Also don't add advertising crap that is opt-out and only configurable via about:config.

[-] Quail4789@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago

majority of people dont give a fuck about that

[-] Dirk@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 day ago

Majority of people also don’t give a fuck about Firefox at all.

So why piss off the few that DO care?

[-] Quail4789@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago

I am not saying they shouldn't have done that. I am saying its not a blocker in mass adoption.

[-] NegativeLookBehind@lemmy.world 60 points 2 days ago

And stop doing shady shit

[-] tay404@mstdn.social 15 points 2 days ago

@RmDebArc_5 @firefox I believe they really need better tab organization (without the need for extensions). just basic tab grouping like chrome is a very important feature.

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[-] solrize@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago

Main thing I want is to override site css. Who cares what the browser itself looks like.

[-] unrushed233@lemmings.world 10 points 1 day ago

There's Stylus

[-] Quail4789@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago

or userContent.css

[-] unrushed233@lemmings.world 1 points 1 day ago

Tell me more about that. How does it work?

[-] Quail4789@lemmy.ml 1 points 16 hours ago

Its like userchrome but for the contents of the webpage. You match on the url and write css that overrides the site's css.

[-] unrushed233@lemmings.world 1 points 8 hours ago

So basically like a user style that you would use in Stylus? What are the differences, advantages/disadvantages?

[-] Quail4789@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 hours ago

my dude, this isn't google

[-] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 11 points 2 days ago

It should also ship with a better default CSS theme.

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[-] Quintus@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Agreed. This is the only reason (besides the built-in fake VPN) OperaGX is popular. All browsers have pretty much the same feature set. OperaGX's biggest strength is CSS customization, Firefox's biggest strength is extensions, Edge's is being the Windows default and Chrome's is it's image of "fast and secure browsing".

All Firefox needs to be is a jack of all trades. But still prioritize it's main distinction.

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