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submitted 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) by Buttflapper@lemmy.world to c/games@lemmy.world

I thought this was a joke but it seems like it's actually legit. WoW, which has a subscription and paid expansions, just added a $90 item to their store. This is Korean MMO levels of absurdity. What do you think of this?

Seems like hundreds of people bought it immediately

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[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 1 points 11 minutes ago

That's a cool as fuck mount...

And it's not worth what I could spend to get one AAA game and two decent quality Indie Games

[-] sorval_the_eeter@lemmy.world 1 points 17 minutes ago

the cybertruck of mounts.

[-] ColdWater@lemmy.ca 1 points 29 minutes ago

People that buy it deserved to get scam

[-] WoolyNelson@lemmy.world 10 points 5 hours ago

It should have been a flying whale.

[-] GladiusB@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Like the lunar whale from FFXIV? What a waste of 40.

[-] Backlog3231@reddthat.com 26 points 9 hours ago
[-] mindaika@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 hours ago

Same. Actual drug addiction (cannabis) has been far cheaper than WoW was

[-] Jumi@lemmy.world 7 points 6 hours ago

Blizzard is scum

[-] ZMonster@lemmy.world 0 points 2 hours ago

This is equally as infuriating to me as the rising cost of stamps. 😐

If you are going to pretend to have scruples then at least pretend to have standards, or dignity for that matter. 😂 If you are so involved (even in the most modest terms) in the ecosystem of predatory games like World of Warcraft, to the point that you are even tenuously aware of news relating to them then you deserve all of it.

[-] fsxylo@sh.itjust.works 12 points 9 hours ago

I think I don't have battle.net installed so they can't hurt me anymore.

[-] Sludgehammer@lemmy.world 33 points 13 hours ago

At least it's not Star Citizen prices:

[-] Etterra@lemmy.world 8 points 4 hours ago

More like Scam Citizen.

[-] Hobo@lemmy.world 17 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

What the fuck? Do people actually pay that for virtual bullshit? That's like the price of a used Honda!

[-] Sludgehammer@lemmy.world 12 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

There's also a pack containing every ship they've sold which you can only see/purchase if you've spent one thousand dollars in their ship store. I'll spoiler the price so you can try and guess how much it is first:

spoiler$48,000, not counting the $1000 you have to spend to be able to see it.

Edit: I should include the source for that price since (as mentioned) you can't even see the pack until you've dropped $1k

[-] SweetBilliam@midwest.social 6 points 9 hours ago

It's intended for whales and for the 65 crew members to split. But I can't imagine they sell many.

[-] NotMaster@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 1 hour ago

Sadly they sell many. They sell them in batches like twice a year and they sell out in seconds.

[-] Hamknight@lemmy.world 5 points 9 hours ago

That's still a little bit over $46 a player. So you'd have to have 65 whales agree to split it.

[-] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 9 hours ago

$46 a player isn’t unheard of, even outside whaling.

[-] glimse@lemmy.world 25 points 14 hours ago

Ok so I cackled when I saw the price on this thing but the more I thought about it, the less shitty it is. FWIW I am not a WoW lifer or Blizzard apologist. I got talked into Classic for a year then played a month or two of each expansion since before quitting but I know the background of the story. It looks way worse from an outsider perspective.

You could buy the original auction house mount for 5 million gold back in the day. It stopped being available regularly and now it's available occasionally in the "black market auction house" and it always sells for the maximum bid.

To combat Chinese gold farmers, Blizzard started selling gold in a bit of a roundabout way. For $20, you can buy a WoW token to sell on the auction house. This token can be purchased by a player and traded for 1 month of game time. Some players dont pay a dime to play - gold is not hard to acquire.

When this new mount came out, WoW tokens were worth about 200k gold. You'd need to exchange them for 5 tokens to get this mount. 1/5 of the original price.

Now tokens are worth 330k. 1.65m golf. STILL significantly cheaper than it was originally.

Tokens will need to rise to triple in price to match the original cost which will still be a tiny fraction of what it cost a month ago.

By far the shittiest thing about this - and I think the only real reason to complain - is that the rising value of the token hurts players who pay for the subscription purely with gold as it adds a few hours to their "working" time in game. For context, watching TV and semi-afk farming will get you like 50k/hour. You can earn way, way more if you've leveled up a profession.

The other (not so bad) thing I don't like about it is that....I hate those mounts. They're HUGE and people just AFK on them blocking NPCs I want to talk to.

[-] radicalautonomy@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

To combat Chinese gold farmers, Blizzard started selling gold in a bit of a roundabout way. For $20, you can buy a WoW token to sell on the auction house. This token can be purchased by a player and traded for 1 month of game time. Some players dont pay a dime to play - gold is not hard to acquire.

Eve Online has been doing that since 2008.

[-] Skates@feddit.nl 6 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

It hurts to do this, because you've obviously thought out your comment and you obviously like the game and want to believe the devs are doing their best. But I think your entire premise is wrong

To combat Chinese gold farmers, Blizzard started selling gold in a bit of a roundabout way

Why do you think this? Why do you grant a greedy game dev the benefit of the doubt? They're cashing in on Chinese gold farmers in all possible ways, man:

  1. By allowing their accounts to exist instead of banning and moving on
  2. By controlling the value of gold with a cash shop, ensuring economy is in their favor
  3. The cash shop also brings them monetary value.

They are triple dipping, and you choose to believe they are doing it because they're a good game dev.

A good game dev would ban accounts guilty of real money trading. A good game dev would fix the in-game economy with in-game methods. A good game dev wouldn't have micro transactions in a subscription game. You want to believe Blizzard is doing this because of those evil Chinese farmers - I'm here to tell you they're profiting from this and don't have the morals to make it right.

[-] Sylvartas@lemmy.world 12 points 11 hours ago

The other (not so bad) thing I don't like about it is that....I hate those mounts. They're HUGE and people just AFK on them blocking NPCs I want to talk to.

TFW the year is 2024 AD and blizzard still has not properly addressed this

[-] glimse@lemmy.world 4 points 10 hours ago

Important NPCs have a dismount aura but if they have that to any NPC with dialogue, you'd get dismounted a hundred times a day

[-] Backlog3231@reddthat.com 2 points 9 hours ago

Make a no fly zone above cities and towns. Have a landing area. Worked fine for Dalaran back in the day.

[-] glimse@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

Even if that didn't come with a bunch of annoying downsides, how would that solve the problem better than dismount auras?

[-] Sylvartas@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago

Oh yeah, I actually remember that from the last time I relapsed (Legion). I was wondering if I hallucinated that workaround... But it's still just that : a stupid workaround. It baffles me that it is seemingly impossible for them to implement a keybind that targets the nearest "interactive" npc in range

[-] glimse@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago

There is, the Interact With Target and Soft Target settings

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[-] sirico@feddit.uk 133 points 18 hours ago

Imagine a parallel world where no one brought the horse armour

[-] roon@lemmy.ml 3 points 7 hours ago

I think it's an eventuality. If not the horse armor it would have been something else. Humans are easily exploitable

[-] itsJoelle@lemmy.world 38 points 18 hours ago

God dammit Todd…

The Wizard Tower was so cool too…

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[-] Euphorazine@lemmy.world 77 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

It's actually more insidious. Blizzard facilitates gold buying by being a middle man. 30 days of wow subscription is $15. Blizzard sells a $20 wow token. Buyers of the token automatically sell it in game to players for gold. Players who sell their In game gold can redeem the token for game time or $15 Blizzard bucks, which can buy any virtual item in the Blizzard store. Games, expansions, and mounts such as this.

If you don't want to spend $90 in real life, you can sell your gold for 6 tokens for $90 Blizzard bucks and get the mount.

The token has been hovering around $170k all month and now it spiked to almost $360k (token price tracker). So now cash buyers can get way more gold for their bucks, and the 6 tokens exchanged for gold (to buy the mount) will net Blizzard $120.

[-] Katana314@lemmy.world 21 points 17 hours ago

I’ve known about the gold tokens system, it has made sense as a way to invalidate black market gold sellers, equalizing WoW gold against the US Dollar. Still don’t quite understand why the token would now sell for 170k though…? Unless you didn’t mean to use the dollar symbol.

[-] TrousersMcPants@lemmy.world 23 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

They probably meant 170k gold in-game

Also what they haven't said is that the price is set by players of the game,. When someone buys a WoW token and exchanges it for gold, that's because a player has paid them with gold they earned for the token. These tokens can be then used to pay for your monthly subscription.

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[-] Promethiel@lemmy.world 15 points 16 hours ago

Those amounts aren't USD yeah, probably habit when writing down money. The 170k and 360k figures are the WoW virtual currency aka "gold".

There is a floor to WoW token's gold value from what I recall (it's been years since I interacted with Blizzard and WoW) but no ceiling.

Dunno how hard it curbed bots/unsanctioned gold sellers/fascist scum grassroots campaigns (no, really, look into Stephen Bannon and WoW gold it's so fucking stupid) but!

Blizzard absolutely realized and then moved to take all the money that was being left on the table from 3rd party virtual currency sales, and they apply every measure and analytical tool to maximize that profit because of course.

This mount's release is literally them inflating the price of the virtual currency ahead of real life earnings calls, because it absolutely will sell and give them the revenue infusion that the WoW token's rise in value is meant to provide for as long as they want until it's time to pump the numbers again with another mount/high sought store item.

A very similar variant in form and function to this mount was once available in-game and trade able with a rarity tuned that it ended up being sold for the WoW Token equivalent of ~$500 at the prices at the time, as there was no store version or similar option elsewhere.

It's no accident that when the price of the WoW Token is at its lowest, here comes a slightly updated and dolled up version of that same highly sought mount version.

WoW is where real economics, car ownership culture, hoarding, and dopamine treadmills collide and Blizzard doesn't just know this but have it charted on 5 year plans.

[-] yamanii@lemmy.world 33 points 16 hours ago

I saw people being mad not because they are selling a 90$ mount, but because now everyone can just have it instead of grinding 5 million gold lol.

[-] greedytacothief@lemmy.world 24 points 14 hours ago

Showing off is an important part of social MMOs. If anyone can have the really cool looking thing for some cash then what's the point of grinding? For a hardcore player, what do they have to show off their prestige?

It's pretty important for an MMO to respect its most active players. Not to mention, what do new players have to look up to? To think, what do I have to get that? If the answer is "oh I just have to fork out some dough". That's kinda disappointing

[-] Anticorp@lemmy.world 16 points 14 hours ago

It's pretty important for an MMO to respect its most active players

WoW chased them off years ago. They cater towards casual players now, and don't want the lifers.

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[-] casmael@lemm.ee 19 points 15 hours ago

TIL world of Warcraft still exists

[-] draneceusrex@lemmy.world 12 points 14 hours ago
[-] Reygle@lemmy.world 16 points 15 hours ago

On the up side, it's now very, VERY easy to tell who is an idiot in the main hub cities within 10 seconds of the auction house.

[-] EatATaco@lemm.ee 20 points 15 hours ago

Be careful judging because there will be plenty of people here who will think "anyone still playing the game is an idiot."

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[-] Etterra@lemmy.world 27 points 17 hours ago

They'll keep doing this because dipshits keep paying for it. Blame the whales.

[-] errer@lemmy.world 25 points 16 hours ago

They should abandon all pretenses of restraint and just add a literal whale mount for $500

[-] misterdoctor@lemmy.world 9 points 12 hours ago

Square Enix literally has this in FFXIV and it’s half of what Blizzard wants for their mount ($42 USD). And at least the FFXIV whale mount has in-world lore history and isn’t just an overt cash grab.

[-] Etterra@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

If it's not cosmetic then it's absolutely a cash grab.

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