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Well, my friend, he's kinda poor he can't afford some books and some streaming services, so he pirates. He pirate books, audiobook and videos and other stuff. Sometimes he buys books he likes a lot out of loyalty to the author (yeah, I don't understand it either), he likes to read physical books, but yeah, if he hates the author or just wants to skim through it, he will download the book.

He usually doesn't like to pirate from small companies or professors who are trying to make a living by selling books, but from millionaires & plenty of mega corps which already have loads of money, he feels like it's the right move to pirate

Also, have you ever noticed that you have felt that the value of a product has decreased just because you didn't pay for it, thus you are less interested to read it? i.e., had you paid for the book, you would have more likely read that book.

He says he will buy stuff when his time is more valuable than money, let's all hope that day is soon.

What are your piracy habits?

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[-] drcouzelis@lemmy.zip 155 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I don't have an answer to your exact question but I want to emphasize...

NOTHING in the history of humankind has ever existed like computer data. A 100% identical copy of videos, pictures, and music can be made almost instantly at what is essentially zero cost to the original holder of the data. Any comparison to "stealing" or to a physical object (a car lol) just falls flat because the situation is just so different.

Practically speaking, the world we live in, with computers everywhere, cheap storage, and easy fast internet access for so much of the world, has only been around for about two decades, maybe three. NOTHING like this has ever existed before, and businesses, culture, and laws have been very slow to catch up.

I'm not saying pirating is right or wrong, just that the whole idea is still so new that society hasn't caught up to it yet.

[-] LrdThndr@lemmy.world 81 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

In ~Babylon~ Alexandria, docking ships were required to surrender any and all written materials to the library. There, scribes would make a copy of everything that was submitted.

The originals of the documents were stored in the library and the copies were given back to the ships.

First instance of intellectual property piracy?

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[-] Subject6051@lemmy.ml 36 points 1 year ago

NOTHING in the history of humankind has ever existed like computer data. A 100% identical copy of videos, pictures, and music can be made almost instantly at what is essentially zero cost to the original holder of the data. Any comparison to “stealing” or to a physical object (a car lol) just falls flat because the situation is just so different.

YES!

Nice comment, tq!

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[-] TrismegistusMx@lemmy.world 85 points 1 year ago

There is no ethical consumption under capitalism. Even if I pay for a product I love some asshole suit is going to get a bigger cut than the artists who did the work.

[-] Hanabie@sh.itjust.works 57 points 1 year ago

I'm an indie author, and all my novels ended up on PDFdrive.

Not that I'd be mad about it. If someone pirates my books and likes them, maybe they'll support me in the future.

Just saying, I'm not wearing suits. I'm working full-time and write when I have off and got the time and energy.

For us Indies, getting eyeballs on our books is next to impossible anyways, so I already gave up on the idea that writing will ever be more than an expensive hobby.

[-] ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world 47 points 1 year ago

Yep! Often the math is "the people who pirated probably wouldn't have bought your product if they couldn't pirate it, so you didn't lose anything. But you did gain a reader, who can now recommend it to others, and / or make future purchases themselves". Generally speaking, pirating isn't bad to the bottom line (not saying it's good).

It hurts brick and mortar stores, but then, so do libraries. (Hah)

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[-] TrismegistusMx@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

If we had any sense as a species we would be funding artists so that they can pursue their art full time. Industry advances technology, but art advances the mind.

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[-] Subject6051@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 year ago

bigger cut than the artists

that's the shitty part! I don't like that one bit.

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[-] Stuka@lemmy.ml 74 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Give me a reasonably priced, accessible way to enjoy the content and I will happily pay for it.

Streaming has become untenable and now it's neither affordable nor convenient to watch what I want to watch. And with how frequently shows and movies bounce around platforms, who knows if the show I want to watch this weekend will be still available on one if the many platforms I've been paying for.

I'm just done with it.

[-] dingus@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I know people like to shit on Spotify. But it's the reason I stopped pirating music forever ago and the reason I've paid for it for years now.

It's fairly reasonably priced at $10-11/mo. It's available on basically any phone, computer, tablet, etc. And nearly every song I could ever want to listen to is just there, seamlessly. You can even download the songs to play locally for when you don't have Internet access. I will admit there are some rare occasions where a song I want is not available there, but it's so infrequent that it doesn't at all impact my listening experience. I can also very easily discover new music by generating playlists based on a song I like.

Now look at something like Netflix. It used to be this way...priced well and had everything you could ever want to watch on it. But now everyone and their mother has their own steaming platform. It's absolutely ridiculous. It's become as expensive as cable to get the same watching experience as TV streaming sites used to be. Sure there are people who say "well I just periodically subscribe and unsubscribe to the service I want to make it cheaper". And sure, it makes it cheaper, but it sure as hell isn't convenient. I don't want to have to fuck with all that shit. So I use illegal TV/movie streaming sites instead. Or I just watch YouTube videos or use free services like Tubi and Pluto. Paid for TV streaming services absolutely suck ass nowadays.

If we started having issues with artist and production company fragmentation, I would cancel my Spotify subscription. But thankfully that hasn't happened and I hope it never does. The trend doesn't seem to be looking that way thank goodness.

If you have a reasonably priced service that has everything I could want, I pay for it. If you don't, then I pirate. Simple as that.

[-] greenskye@lemm.ee 20 points 1 year ago

The biggest issue to me is that all music services offer effectively the same access to music. I'm not choosing between Spotify and YouTube music because my favorite artist is on one, but not the other. However we are conditioned to think this is ok when it comes to video. Streaming services never should have been content creators, we should be choosing Netflix vs Hulu based on price, app quality, video quality.

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[-] FippleStone@aussie.zone 66 points 1 year ago
[-] Nemo@midwest.social 27 points 1 year ago

Exactly. Anything predatory to humanity deserves to be fucked with in whatever way we can.

[-] JoeBidet@lemmy.ml 54 points 1 year ago

All culture belongs to everyone, therefore should be accessible to everyone.

The sale of goods only concerns those who can and want to afford it.

Sharing is not theft.

Pirates are cool.

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[-] small44@lemmy.world 49 points 1 year ago

My philosphy is Buy what you can afford, pirate the rest

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[-] JasSmith@kbin.social 45 points 1 year ago

I don’t pirate music or games because there are reasonable platforms and pricing models which make pirating more hassle than it’s worth. Shows and movies, on the other hand, are an absolute shitshow to purchase legally.

  • Outrageous pricing.

  • Declining quality. Especially writing. See Rings of Power, Wheel of Time, and Foundation.

  • Content is often unavailable to purchase. See Disney vault.

  • Competing streaming services. I’d have to subscribe to six services to access the shows I like.

  • Content disappears from services with little notice.

  • Studios and platforms have been removing and modifying older content for political reasons.

It’s like they’re trying to make the experience as bad as possible. So fuck ‘em. Thank you Sonarr and Radarr.

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[-] comfisofa@lemmy.ml 43 points 1 year ago

You know how writers get paid fuck all for the movies they write? You know how animators are paid criminally low wages for the anime they produce? At the end of the day for most media it's the companies that get all the money, not the artists. Therefore, fuck them, I am pirating your content not contributing to your profit margins.

[-] mojo@lemm.ee 39 points 1 year ago

I only pirate TVs/Movies. Streaming is in such a shitty state that I don't want to figure out what service is on what, and I'm certainly not going to subscribe for just one thing to watch. I feel no remorse.

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[-] xtremeownage@lemmyonline.com 38 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I cannot confirm, nor deny.

But, I will say, once upon a time, before the days of netflix, if you wanted to watch things, you needed to spend a fuckload of money, to watch it on cable, with commercials every 10 minutes.... or, you drove to a blockbuster. So, you either did that, or you obtained the movie/tv/etc, via a torrent.

Then, netflix came along, gave you a ton of content, at a reasonable price. And- then, there wasn't really much of an advantage to obtaining media via other alternative means. So, netflix took over by storm, and piracy went way down.

Then, everyone wanted a piece of the action. So, then Hulu, Netflix, Amazon Prime, Disney Plus, HBO+, ESPN+, (And insert 50 other network-specific streaming services) jumped into the fray. Then, they all made exclusive streaming contracts. So, if you watch a handful of things, you would need a handful of streaming service subscriptions.

And- again, the alternative option of piracy, became the better option, as you can watch whatever the f- you want, WHENever you want, without having to pay for 50 different subscriptions every month, just to watch a TV series, which they decide to cancel after the 2nd season.

Do you justify?

If the fucking scumbags didn't get greedy in the first place, we wouldn't be in this situation. But, no, everyone wanted an extremely generous piece of the pie, and now everything has went to shit again. Fuck those guys. Isn't like the actual actors/writers staring in movies gets any of the money anyways.

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[-] skulkingaround@sh.itjust.works 34 points 1 year ago

If there was a service I could pay like $100-200/mo for and just have every movie and TV show I'd happily pay for it. It doesn't exist, but pirate sites do and they do have every movie and TV show, including tons completely unavailable on any streaming service

GabeN got it right, piracy is a service issue. I haven't pirated a PC game in probably 12 years because steam works great and has basically every PC game I could ask for.

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[-] Mcballs1234@lemmy.ml 30 points 1 year ago

I pirate to seed to y'all in need

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[-] ComradePedro@lemmy.ml 29 points 1 year ago

I pirate all media I consume and seed terabytes of pirated media every month, proudly. Fuck capitalism, that's my justification.

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[-] DrQuint@lemm.ee 28 points 1 year ago

Do you?

Yes

Do you justify?

No

Philosophy?

Mood

[-] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 26 points 1 year ago

I had to write a research report in university about whether or not piracy hurt or helped the recording industry.

From the research, I found multiple studies that compared brain activity of shoplifters compared to those of pirates. The area of the brain that lit up when stealing physical objects did NOT light up for those who pirated.

Digital piracy is not theft. No one is hurt except for unrealized revenue. But if someone pirates, was that even potential revenue to begin with?

It was also found that piracy allowed for greater reach of content which statistically resulted in more people attending live concerts (think of piracy as free advertisement). Concert attendance led to increase in ticket and merchandise sales.

So overall? Piracy is good. It is only bad if you ignore multiple factors and only focus on short term bottom lines. A net positive.

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[-] zacher_glachl@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

My justification: nobody has stopped me yet🤷

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[-] witchergeraltofrivia@lemm.ee 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

My time is more valuable than money, but I still pirate. To me it's not about money but principles.
If I pay for something and still can't "own" it, I pirate.
If a generous portion of the money I pay isn't going to the rightful individuals but to our corporate overlords, I pirate.
If my internet freedom is threatened, I pirate.

If someone pirates due to lack of money and one day they have enough, I suggest keep pirating and donate to FOSS and pay to individual creators.

[-] pachrist@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

I spent a decade with streaming services, because for 10 years, it was the best, easiest way to watch what you wanted to watch. I paid a fair price, and studios got a fair cut.

When every studio decided they wanted a bigger cut by extracting more out of my pocket, they intensionally fragmented the market and made me pay an unfair price for an inferior product. They haven't innovated, done more, or produced better TV or movies, they just demand more for the same.

So, I pirate.

[-] tehmics@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I agree with your friend.

If there's a media that I want to continue to exist and similar works to be made, I will buy it. Depending on how much I enjoy it I will wait for a sale or pay full price.

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[-] TheBroodian@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Private property is theft, and copyright/IP only works to hold humanity's advance back

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[-] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago

Pirating things is good, paying for them is bad

Money isn’t real

[-] slazer2au@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

Don't pay your employees a livable wage, or use creative accounting to minimise profit and therefore tax payable. don't expect money from me.

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[-] electrogamerman@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

I dont have any deep philosophy. I do it because its free.

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[-] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 1 year ago

Easiest way to obtain media is to pirate, so I pirate it. But also because I hate copyright and patent laws.

[-] FIST_FILLET@lemmy.ml 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

yes

  1. copyright is a deeply flawed system invented by capitalists with moronic consequences for well-intentioned artists today
  2. i regularly support musicians i like through bandcamp (especially on bandcamp fridays where they get 100% of the money)
  3. i usually do not pirate indie things (but remember that if your only options are piracy or “key reseller” sites, ALWAYS pirate. you are actively costing the devs money if you buy a stolen key from a reseller (and they are all stolen))
  4. i’m poor and adobe can choke on my balls
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[-] ProfessorPuzzleCode@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

Copyright is fucking wierd and an anomaly. It has only existed very recently in all history. Part of the reason we have the works of Shakespeare is due to the fact that there was no copyright then, so taking a part of someone else's work and rehashing into something new was common and innovative. Disney do this with old folk stories, but then they get to "copyright" it? It's abhorrent. It stifles further creativity. Take that horrible weirdo TERF who wrote some wizarding shit. She would have done very nicely without copyright protection. It's not needed. So-called "piracy" is just normal behaviour. Nothing wrong with it.

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[-] BakedGoods@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 year ago

There's nothing morally wrong with stealing from a profit driven corporation as they would (and do) do the same to you at every chance given. At that point it's just healthy competition.

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[-] the_post_of_tom_joad@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago

There is no morality in the purchasing of goods. I will pirate everything, always, for as long as i can

[-] Pikabyte@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I don't justify it. I stopped caring. That's as evil as it can get, I suppose.

[-] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 18 points 1 year ago

If I didn't pirate everything, I wouldn't buy it anyway because I don't have money.
I do not purchase any digital content.
If I like some movies enough, I will purchase them on DVD. I like to have something physical.
I'd do likewise with games, if I played any. If it's just download, I am not purchasing it. If it comes on disc/cartridge, sure.

Exception to this is FOSS. FOSS is almost always free in cost, but if possible, I'll donate on it. It is the only digital content I am willing to pay for. That is because it has the chance to benefit other projects. And if I'll ever learn programming, potentially even some of my own.

[-] wombat@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago

piracy is a moral imperative

[-] WindowsEnjoyer@sh.itjust.works 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The last games I purchased are Dave the Diver and BG3. Those games have something in common:

  1. No DLCs.
  2. No DRM.
  3. No external launchers.
  4. Internet connection is not required to play.
  5. Those games are polished, not broken and activelly supported/maintained/updated.

All other titles I simply pirate. Here are my reasons:

  1. Runs like trash on day 1.
  2. 60-80€ price for a buggy mess.
  3. Companies usually under-deliver of what's promised.
  4. Has DRM (hurts performance) or requires active internet connection (hello steam deck while I am on a plane) or has additional launcher bullshit.
  5. Ubisoft usually copy/paste games (assassins creed, far cry series). I don't want to pay 80€ for a game with a new map and new skins, while everything else is literally the same mess.
  6. Not sure if I'd like the game (for 60-80eur). Companies no longer release trials.

Regarding this:

  1. Not sure if I'd like the game (for 60-80eur). Companies no longer release trials.

Once upon a time, I pirated Subnautica. Played for 10 minutes and realized "fuck it" and I bought both games. Realised that this is going to be a loooong game for me. No regrets supporting the company - those became one of my favorite games of all time.

For me, paying 20-60 eur (depending on a game) is fine and using Steam is more convenient, but in most cases - piracy is usually more convenient to me. :)

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[-] mayo_cider@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago

I do it because I don't believe in IP

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[-] jabjoe@feddit.uk 16 points 1 year ago

The antifeature of DRM anyone? Wanting open source that you can keep running, up to date and secure, as long as you want?

[-] Abraxiel@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago

I don't think video games would be as big or as developed as a medium and hence as an industry without piracy. For every dollar "lost" because someone pirated instead of buying, there's probably a greater factor of money "gained" from people gaining and maintaining interest in the medium. Maybe even especially for smaller games, the number of people introduced to the idea that indie titles can be really good, who play something they wouldn't have if it meant foregoing a more reliable large title, and then go on to talk about it online, and maybe buy it themselves is a big factor in growing the audience for those games and the medium itself.

I also don't believe in intellectual property as it stands today and believe in the end of capitalism and market economies as a necessary feature for human development, so hopefully the idea of piracy will be moot eventually.

I hope to make commercial games and while that would seemingly put me in conflict with pirates, I'm convinced that my attitude won't change, for the reasons above.

[-] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 16 points 1 year ago

Yes. If I could purchase what I get from piracy (media files with no DRM that I can use as I see fit) for a reasonable price I would do so. Unfortunately this is not a thing and even the compromise of being able to stream doesn't work because all the media companies have decided they need their own services and even then not everything is available. Piracy is just way more convenient.

Back when Netflix was actually decent I actually did stop pirating tv and movies for the most part because there was enough content on there to keep me entertained. Eventually I had to unsubscribe though because it got to the point there was nothing on there I wanted to watch.

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[-] Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago

Intellectual property isn't real, it's a self-contradicting concept. Thus, it is impossible to steal it, just like it's impossible to poach a unicorn. If you had the magical ability to point to an object and clone it, that wouldn't be stealing either.

I only pirate things from large corpos. I don't pirate stuff from indie developers or small artists. I usually buy some merch from them too so they get some extra money, I try hard to support the little folks.

There are rare times where I feel that big time developers deserve my money, like No Man's Sky. Indie devs that made it huge, screwed their fans when the game dropped initially, but have redeemed themselves fully by being honest, transparent, and providing incredible value since their flop to their customers.

I bought their game even though I don't really play it, just to show my support of a game Dev studio that truly cares about their players and product.

TL;DR support the small-time folks, screw the corpos.

[-] AndreTelevise@lemm.ee 15 points 1 year ago
  1. It's copying and not stealing, and honestly current copyright law is stupid and broken
  2. Decreasing the profits of big corporations like Hollywood movie studios is not immoral and shouldn't be illegal
  3. There are some shows or movies I can't find in my country legally
  4. With increased competition in the streaming market, it costs as much as a cable subscription to get all the content I used to be able to get from one streaming service
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