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How many dead Palestinian kids will it take for you to change your vote?

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[-] Red_Sunshine_Over_Florida@hexbear.net 51 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The ones said that they have to vote against Trump because he's so mean. Even though Florida is no longer a swing state. Like they get and agree with me that this is an long-running campaign of genocide, they have come to detest the Israelis for their brutality but, Trump winning in 2016 just broke their brains enough that they can't imagine doing anything but voting for Democrats, no matter how much they resemble the Bush era ghouls they hated.

When you confront them with it, the cognitive dissonance is there, and it presents itself as getting hostile when being confronted with their voting for people currently committing genocide. They try to avoid that contradiction by changing the subject as soon as they can. The TV really makes them think Trump is the source and only problem in this world, even though I've told them repeatedly it isn't the case.

Hell, I remember when we were politically active liberals pre-Trump, and my mother displayed symptoms of what we now call Trump Derangement Syndrome, but, towards John Boehner of all people. She would talk with the same hatred every liberal has for Trump but, towards that guy, of all people, saying he was basically the root of all evil in this country. They always need, I guess, a Bonapartist figure to manifest their negative partisanship towards and I'm at a loss of how to break through.

My dad was the most crushing to hear, since his hatred for Putin as a scapegoat by the neocons for Trump winning, has made him invested in reading about the Ukraine war online. When I told him of my anger towards the Democrats on Gaza, he basically said that in the grand scheme of things, he doesn't really care since the American political establishment will never change anything on that issue. My takeaway from that was, at least his vote can change whether the orange Putin man is in charge or not. He's been that disillusioned ever since Bernie lost and showed the electoral system for what it is.

Anyways, we all voted yesterday.

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[-] QueerCommie@hexbear.net 46 points 1 day ago

There is no point in getting them to change their vote though.

[-] PapaEmeritusIII@hexbear.net 39 points 1 day ago

Srsly, if you want people in your life to actually help Palestine, there are much better ways. Maybe encourage them to donate to gofundmes on gazafunds.com or something. Go to a protest together. Tell them about the BDS movement.

But on the other hand, why do any of that when you could instead take the option of antagonizing them about their electoral choices. Really piss them off, get them to stop taking you seriously. Burn bridges and shrink your sphere of influence within your community. That’s what will really be helpful to the people of Palestine.

I can’t fucking wait for election season to be over

[-] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 32 points 1 day ago

Seriously, like every two years everyone in the USA just turns into a Vulcan going through Pon Farr

But for elections

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[-] autismdragon@hexbear.net 32 points 1 day ago

Y'all focus way too much on voting and I'm tired of it. You can't simultaneously believe that voting is pointless and doesn't do anything AND that your vote is a moral imperative. Stop it.

[-] bumpusoot@hexbear.net 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I do agree that the focus of argument should really be on dismissing any claim that voting (in the current system) makes a difference. That being said, I think part of that argument can be composed of "look at the choice that voting has driven us to, genocide or genocide".

[-] newacctidk@hexbear.net 41 points 1 day ago

So what's your number of Palestinians?

[-] TheLepidopterists@hexbear.net 39 points 1 day ago

I disagree.

Just because stating "I support the genocide, I want them to keep doing the genocide" isn't the thing that actually keeps the genocide going, doesn't mean that a person saying it isn't a Nazi.

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