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ROUND 21: 🇧🇷 Brazil


FORMULA 1 LENOVO GRANDE PRÊMIO DE SÃO PAULO 2024


Circuit stats


  • Circuit name: Autódromo José Carlos Pace
  • First Grand Prix: 1973
  • Number of laps: 71
  • Circuit Length: 4.309 km
  • Race Distance: 305.879 km
  • Lap record: 1:10.540 Valtteri Bottas (2018)
  • 2023 winner: Max Verstappen

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[-] Worx@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 16 hours ago

Nice to see Verstappen and Red Bull actually celebrating again instead of it just being a rote victory

[-] hal_5700X@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago

Go to Brasil and Brasil things happened.

[-] blackn1ght@feddit.uk 34 points 1 day ago

Absolute masterclass from Max. Was just leagues above everyone else.

[-] wes@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

Reminded me a bit of Miami last year where Perez thought he could fight for the championship and then Verstappen just KO'd Perez and left him limping the rest of the season.

[-] datendefekt@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago

Also greatly helped by the free pitstop.

[-] 1luv8008135@lemmy.world 5 points 22 hours ago

He also had to remain accident free while overtaking quite a few cars, in a race where there were crashes left right and centre. Sure he got lucky but he also made his own luck by driving an incident free race.

Say what you want about the guy, his attitude, or on track antics oft times, you cannot take today’s drive away from him. I’m not a fan of any of the former, but I concede, begrudgingly, today’s drive proved him to be one of the greats. The belligerent fastest laps at the end of it all were such a statement too. I can’t; I just can’t 😅

[-] clutchtwopointzero@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

True, but he made the most of the opportunity...

[-] blackn1ght@feddit.uk 8 points 1 day ago

There was a bit of luck involved but given the pace he had, he probably would have won anyway.

[-] _ed@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 day ago

Yeah flawless - well deserved

[-] narc0tic_bird@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago

Just mighty.

[-] troed@fedia.io 25 points 1 day ago

I don't get the Safety Car for "teams are on the wrong tires". Some had already switched to full wets. Surely this should be up to the teams to screw up instead of relying on the organizers to save them staying out on inters.

[-] l_b_i@pawb.social 11 points 1 day ago

Even if everyone was on full wets, they bring it out for visibility and hydroplaning. I think that's part of the reason no one switched to full wets. They knew if conditions got bad enough to need them, the SC would come out and there might be a red flag too.

[-] DWin@feddit.uk 9 points 1 day ago

From memory, Tsunoda, Lawson, Hulk, Perez, Zhou, and I think there was 1 more. Their strategy was paying off with lap times 3s faster and that was just getting started. Sad to seen a great strategic choice like this turn to shit because teams know the race director will be overly cautious and protect teams from having to make risky strategy calls.

[-] troed@fedia.io 4 points 1 day ago

At least four cars had switched to full wets at the time.

[-] hsr@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 day ago

How do you even fix that? At this point driving on the wrong tyre is an optimal strategy. Either:

  • Driver stays on inters and calls for red flag cause it's undrivable
  • Driver on inters crashes because they should be on wets, causing a red flag
  • someone (like RB today) pits for wets and gets punished because someone else crashed out and caused a red flag

Also I'm not fooled by drivers moaning about how wets suck and have no grip; as long as inters are even 0.1 a lap faster than wets, everyone will want to run inters. I don't think there's place for two wet weather compounds since everyone will pick the 'faster' one regardles of weather.

[-] wes@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago

Still cannot figure out why Stroll thought it was a good idea to drive through the gravel getting beached after he crashed, he could have made a 180 and stay on the tarmac.

[-] hypnotoad__@lemmy.ml 27 points 1 day ago

Mate it's lance stroll

[-] Pringles@lemm.ee 4 points 1 day ago

F1 cars have reverse, which would've gotten him on safe ground. I think he tried a 180 but there wasn't enough tarmac to work with with the barriers being so close, so he beaches himself.

[-] Sentau@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 1 day ago

Lando bitching about his luck so much when he had half the race to make progress. Instead he just went backwards.

[-] wes@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

He lost the lead again and went off a few times and the team topped it off with bad strategy calls (+Lando wanted to come in even earlier) has nothing to do with luck i think.

[-] Sentau@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 1 day ago

+Lando wanted to come in even earlier

Exactly. He was asking to be pit even before the VSC and is now bitching that the team pit him

[-] falkerie71@sh.itjust.works 1 points 23 hours ago

I don't get how you interpret the interview as him bitching about the team call? In the interview, he did acknowledge that he made a few mistakes, but aside from that he thought they did the best they could, and the red flag was the bad luck.

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[-] resetbypeer@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

ABSOLUTE CINEMA

[-] FrostyTrichs@walledgarden.xyz 12 points 1 day ago

I enjoyed this race but once again we have bizarre race direction and stewarding.

[-] troed@fedia.io 10 points 1 day ago

It's difficult to root for Norris to catch up to Verstappen when he's clearly not up to the task in all conditions.

conspiracy hat on: Red Bull is surely right that other teams are cheating with water in the tires. Look what happens when it's wet so they have no use for it.

... just kidding. Maybe.

[-] Sentau@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 1 day ago

So what is going to happen about the mass start infringement¿?

[-] 1luv8008135@lemmy.world 2 points 22 hours ago

Reprimand + €5000 fine for Russell and Norris

[-] bradv@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 day ago

Everyone gets disqualified, except for Sainz as he was still in the pits.

[-] Sentau@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 day ago

If this happens I will be fucking laughing

[-] Sentau@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 1 day ago

Interlagos is love. Interlagos is life

[-] Sentau@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 1 day ago

Oscar is so mature. Admitted that he messed up with Lawson and did not blame luck or anything. He will be a future champion if he keeps improving

[-] Sentau@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

If heaven exists, senna must be smiling - he saw one of the GOATs drive his car in tribute and then saw his spiritual successor drive the race of his lifetime at his hometown track

[-] InvictusUmbra1824@lemm.ee 6 points 1 day ago

Just we expected of the powerhouse....checks notes....Alpine with the double podium finish. Yes....lol

[-] Rapidcreek@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Max got his pit stop in under a red flag, and that made all the difference.

[-] GoodEye8@lemm.ee 13 points 1 day ago

17 fastest laps and finishing 19 seconds ahead of Ocon begs to differ. Max would've won even if he had pitted under the safety car and he would've beaten Norris even without a safety car. Nobody had the pace Max had. The red flag made his race easier but it didn't "make all the difference".

[-] lemmyingly@lemm.ee 4 points 1 day ago

You can't ignore that Max was given a free pitstop. Would Max have won even if he hadn't? Maybe. But after he was given the free pitstop, it was a sure thing that he was going to be in the top 3 ahead of George and Lando.

[-] GoodEye8@lemm.ee 4 points 1 day ago

I agree that the red flag made it easy for him to win, but not because of the free pitstop, it's because Merc and McLaren made the wrong strategy call.

Everybody knows that if the race conditions require wets there's a high chance the race is called off. Both Merc and McLaren pitted before the worst rain which means they weren't waiting to see if the race is called off. Had the race been called off I don't think people would be looking at Max. I think people would be questioning why Merc and McLaren decided to pit early. The red flag was beneficial to Max because Merc and McLaren made the wrong call by pitting early.

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[-] DV8@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

While I'm a Verstappen fan I really want this to stop. It's not exciting and as an additional thing it might lead teamsvto leave their drivers out in dangerous conditions hoping to gain track position in case of a red flag.

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What a race !!

[-] lazycouchpotato@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

VERSTAPPEN'S 2024 CHAMPIONSHIP

If he finishes ahead of Norris in Las Vegas, he will win the championship
Norris needs to outscore Verstappen by 3 points to avoid it.

Source

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[-] urquell@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago

So, another consequtive four time championship winner.

What a race!

[-] beeng@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 day ago

Its getting all a bit ridiculous this F1 circus.

The complaining, the whining, the bitching on the radio, the red flags and lack of sportsmanship.

Are local kart tracks and speedway all like this now or its all drama there too?

WEC doesn't have this circus feeling to me.

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