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[-] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 21 points 3 weeks ago

Shame the Green party VP pick is a raging transphobe

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 10 points 3 weeks ago
[-] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 15 points 3 weeks ago

The usual transphobe bullshit about how he's "concerned" about men playing in women's sports.

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

The sports debate always enters very difficult territory.

What people do with their own body in their own time is their business. I cannot find a statement of Ware disagreeing with this take

However with sports the debate inherently goes outside of personal freedoms. A competition is against other people. Demanding people to agree with every take outside of personal freedom, or directly calling them transphobes is rather extreme.

Nonetheless if people really wanted it, I doubt Ware really cares about this position enough to not move on it.

[-] Outdoor_Catgirl@hexbear.net 24 points 3 weeks ago

Didn't he phrase it along the lines of "I don't want men in women's sports?" Calling trans women "men" is definitionally bigoted.

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 9 points 3 weeks ago

I quickly search it and all I could find was a clip which was hard clipped of Butch saying "I don’t think that biological males should play in female sports, I think it gives an unfair, you know, competitive advantage."

What I wonder is whether he brought this up on his own or somebody asked him for his personal opinion on the matter. But the cut off on the clip does raise some questions. Fake progressives like AOC then going after the Greens for it raises all the more questions.

[-] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 3 points 3 weeks ago

Look, just phrasing any of this in terms of 'biological males' indicates his knowledge of the transgender rights movement is very outdated (use the term Assigned Male at Birth! gender isn't biological and sex doesn't work like that!) or he's using explicitly transphobic terminology. Either way, it reflects that he holds a position that trans people and their advocates are 100% in the right to revoke support over. AOC will always take any opportunity to attack the Greens, she's an opportunist. That doesn't mean that what he said is acceptable.

[-] MF_COOM@hexbear.net 17 points 3 weeks ago

Nobody who claims to care about this gives a fuck about women's sports. It's just the most rhetorically fortified position for being anti-trans.

Also professional sports are just games for rich kids anyways so who cares

[-] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 13 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

The sports debate is only difficult territory if you're a raging transphobe who somehow feels that "the integrity of sports" is somehow on the same level as literal human rights. Otherwise it's extremely simple; human rights are significantly more important than some made up bullshit about how people are just becoming trans solely so they can win at sports

[-] naom3@hexbear.net 10 points 3 weeks ago

Demanding people to agree with every take outside of personal freedom, or directly calling them transphobes is rather extreme.

“I don’t care as long as they keep it to themselves and don’t ask to not get actively excluded by society” get fucked

[-] Wakmrow@hexbear.net 10 points 3 weeks ago

He came out with a statement on his Instagram yesterday disavowing transphobia and claiming to be taken out of context.

Whatever his stance on women's sports, he is vocally supporting trans rights which is far more than the dems are doing.

[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago
[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 10 points 3 weeks ago

Everyone who opposes genocide is a Russian asset on .World

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

Well they just don't want to be confronted with their own contradictions.

[-] halykthered@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 weeks ago

They're upset that a political party convinced them to support genocide and feel the need to lash out.

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

Its just important to put the marks down on (digital) paper that it did not happen in a vacuum.

They were presented with alternative ways of approaching these issues and rejected them.

Stein is not now, and has not been for the last several elections, a serious contender. She exists simply to be a spoiler candidate for the left side of American politics. She has not moved the needle at all in terms of national policy - or even discourse - for as long as I’ve been aware of her career in politics. She’s an abjectly awful champion of a party that claims to be the champion of ecological causes in the US. This is coming from someone who cares about the environment a whole hell of a lot, but who also understands the infuriating idiosyncrasies of the American electoral system.

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 weeks ago

Do you not find this ironic when Kamala was the first candidate to drop out in 2020 because she could not even get 1% of the votes?

Stein is not a spoiler candidate. She is one of the few serious candidates in the race.

Harris is spoiling the Democrats chances of winning by being an abjectly awful candidate and supporting awful policies.

You evidently have a very different understanding of reality than I do.

We’ll see how it pans out in about 36 hours + however the fuck long it takes whatever litigation and electoral bullshittery Trump is surely going to try to pull off.

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 weeks ago

Stein is not now, and has not been for the last several elections, a serious contender.

I don’t know anyone who thinks that she is.

She exists simply to be a spoiler candidate for the left side of American politics.

The Democratic party is the spoiler for the left side of American politics.

This is coming from someone who […] understands the infuriating idiosyncrasies of the American electoral system.

Maybe you do, maybe you don’t 🤷

[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world -4 points 3 weeks ago

Everyone who supports Putin getting his candidate elected by running a sham third oarty campaign that purports to oppose genocide while doing nothing to actually prevent it, is.

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 weeks ago

Putin getting his candidate elected

Trump, Putin’s candidate.

CIA "Cooked The Intelligence" To Hide That Russia Favored Clinton, Not Trump In 2016. Russia didn’t fear Hillary Clinton. “It was a relationship they were comfortable with,” some CIA analysts believed, but intelligence was suppressed. On the fall of the last great Russiagate myth.

Putin and his massive influence upon America’s marketplace of ideas.

[-] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 weeks ago

Do you save a copy of this response in a word file somewhere? I could swear just a few days ago I saw this same rebuttal to the same played out argument on a different post. I'll have to start doing the same.

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 weeks ago

I use Lemmy’s search features to pull up my own past posts. For instance:
https://lemmy.ml/search?creatorId=1468481&q=russiagate

[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago

Seems like something a Russian propagandist would have at their fingertips.

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 weeks ago

You are living the meme 😂 All those articles are from US corporate and US independent left- to centrist-liberal sources

[-] red@sopuli.xyz -1 points 3 weeks ago

Dude, even your first link, Racket News, written my Matt Taibbi.

Taibbi began as a freelance reporter working in the former Soviet Union.

Such US corporate leftist stuff indeed.

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Taibbi began as a freelance reporter working in the former Soviet Union.

Oh, did Taibbi catch Orc cooties for having been a reporter in the Soviet Union in the 1990s? This “guilty by association” garbage is what Russiagate conspiracy theorists live by, so I shouldn’t be surprised you might think so.

Such US corporate leftist stuff indeed.

Did you miss the part where I said, “US independent left- to centrist-liberal sources”? Taibbi is an independent civil-liberties focused liberal investigative journalist.

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 weeks ago

Mrs. Stein and Principal Putler were an the same table making babies and I saw one of the babies and the baby looked at me!

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 weeks ago
[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

The alternative is she's an idiot. What's the over/under on that?

Stein really doesn't miss. But Europeans will never give up genocide, it's their heritage.

[-] Beetle@hexbear.net 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

This is so funny, I love green party infighting (they all suck).

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