Dammit, Manjaro. Why you gotta be WEIRD?! I used to love their branding, but they keep doing crazy things that would clearly alienate the userbase that's left...
data such as host name,
Okay why do they need to know that? Why do they need to know if the computer is called "Melissa's Laptop" or "Workstation 15, Internal security division"? Seems like this kind of data could if stolen be misused and it has minimal legitimate purpose IMO as anyone can put anything as host name and while in organizations it often corresponds to use it doesn't have to for individuals. Someone could call their machine "Mack's Porn Rig" and they only use it for doing banking and a little coding.
kernel version, desktop component versions, detailed information about hardware and drivers involved, screen size and resolution information,
This all seems legitimate enough, this would be helpful for understanding the hardware their users run on and targeting features or bug fixes.
network device MAC addresses,
Not great but there is an argument for it, they could just grab and send the first 3-4 octets which would give them the info they need on manufacturers without getting uniquely identifiable data that along with some of this other stuff is concerning for fingerprinting.
disk serial numbers,
Okay, what the fuck. Why do they need disk serial numbers? What possible use is there for that. Those are used for warranty claims and could be used as part of uniquely fingerprinting a computer and person. Not cool.
disk partition data,
This is vague enough. I guess one could choose to see this as just info about partitions in use say if there's also an NTFS partition that looks like a Windows install that would be useful but on the other hand data encompassed within a partition could also nefariously be read as allowing them access to all your data. Partition layout, partition labels, and file systems used on disks available to the system would be a clearer way to put this and erase any doubt.
information about the number of running processes and installed packages, versions of basic packages such as systemd, gcc, bash and PipeWire.
All this is also fine just technical data stuff.
Once again proven right that EndeavourOS is the superior downstream Arch distro
I moved one of my computers to endeavor, but one is still on manjaro and the contrast is kinda hilarious. Manjaro machine always gets funky after updates, it struggles to deal with sleep and hibernation, and it feels slow even when its like 4x as powerful as my EndeavourOS machine.
Glad i said fuck it and went straight to actual arch when i wanted to try arch based. Literally like 9/10 times i hear manjaro brought up its not going to be in praise. Ffs lol
I've defended Manjaro many a time, despite the mistakes they've made. The main reason for this, Manjaro is the most stable Linux distro I've used.
However, the main reason I ditched Windows as my primary OS was telemetry (and bloat). If Manjaro introduce this, it absolutely must be opt-in.
I actually contribute to the Steam hardware survey as I want to ensure Valve, but more so hardware manufacturers, are aware desktop Linux systems for gaming and creative work are viable. But it's my choice to contribute.
If Manjaro don't implement this as an opt-in then I'll be installing Arch. It will be a pain to configure my software again but needs must.
If manjaro is the most stable distro you’ve used you can’t have used a lot
I mostly used Ubuntu based desktop distros and frequently had issues with the 6 monthly update cycle. Problems with Fedora too. I have not had a single update issue with Manjaro. I often have different distros running in VM's and whilst Arch has been the most reliable, most are not.
I also setup loads of Linux servers in my I.T. job that I used to have, so I have plenty experience.
The bottom line is Manjaro desktop has been ridiculously reliable for me. Therefore other peoples hate of it washes over me and is meaningless.
That list about which data they're collecting is longer than my highschool essay
With archinstall, anybody can install Arch in 10 minutes nowadays. Why use Manjaro ?
To many options? A new user might be confused, by for example choosing a the correct disk layout.
NGL on pretty much any install, I'd end up looking up pros and cons of every filesystem AGAIN...
... It's BTRFS now. Simple. Easy. Lol
But it was a lotta research to reach that conclusion. So yeah I get that newbie apprehension!
Opt-out? I see it's time for the seasonal Manjaro fuck up.
They'll find some way to make this change break the AUR again
Why on earth do they need to know hostname? MAC addresses?
And disk serial numbers 😟
Manjaro is already less stable than arch, now it collects your data involuntarily? Fucking wild how anyone can use it.
clown distro makes clown decision
Opt-out? Seriously? What are the Manjaro devs smoking?
Ad firm money.
Maybe I'm just cynical, but my first instinct when I see stuff like this is they have a secret contract with an advertiser and are selling this information.
Whatever they can get their hands on, including your unique hardware identifiers
hostname? MAC address? serial numbers? does "partitionx data also include names and GUIDs?
why would they need these? what is wrong with them??
enable telemetry by default ... MAC addresses, disk serial numbers
Another reason to not use Manjaro. Just use Endeavour instead.
Edit: I'm not against telemetry pre se. I have the KDE feedback enabled for example but that was opt in and sends no unique data.
I get the usefulness of technical telemetry such as kernel version, RAM, disk space, processor type, etc... but NIC MAC? HDD serial? WTF?
Those are absolutely ways of covertly identifying your device while technically not counting as "personal information" under privacy laws.
Serial numbers are hardly covert though... but yeah.
The point is that it's a loophole in privacy laws so they don't have to outright tell people that they collect personal or identifying information. So they can legally mislead people by claiming it's anonymous telemetry in hopes that users don't actually look into it or understand the implications.
Yeah that makes no sense lol. Who needs MAC addresses to debug and fix bugs? No one.
I just don't see a good reason to use Manjaro and many reasons not to.
Friends don't let friends use Manjaro
Like if you're going to use Arch btw, go all the way and use actual Arch.
The report includes data such as host name, kernel version, desktop component versions, detailed information about hardware and drivers involved, screen size and resolution information, network device MAC addresses, disk serial numbers, disk partition data, information about the number of running processes and installed packages, versions of basic packages such as systemd, gcc, bash and PipeWire.
That's insane
Why do they need information about the hostname? Is it really valuable for them to know how many systems are named daves-pc?
network device MAC addresses, disk serial numbers
That's enough. I'm calling it evil from now on.
Thought it's probably fine after reading the title, but this shit isn't fine. What the fuck.
I don't get why someone would use Manjaro after so many fuckups.. If you don't know what I'm talking about, you're either too new to Linux or don't care. Just look for "manjaro certificates" or "manjaro drama" and you'll find out for yourself.
It amazes me it's still as popular as it is and still own goaling at least once a year.
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