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Once Again, the Democratic Leadership Has Failed Us All (www.currentaffairs.org)

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[-] needthosepylons@lemmy.world 5 points 13 hours ago

I'm not a US citizen, but considering the current global trend, isn't it also possible that the West is slowly but surely turning to fascism again?

I couldn't care less about the democratic party, so not trying to find excuses but everything I read about the US election reminds me of everything I read about... well.. most European elections in the past 10 years.

[-] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

Mexico recently elected a socialist woman. Europe and American political parties have collectively decided on the strategy of trying to win the neo nazi vote.

[-] Jumi@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

Yeah, I'm from Germany and it's happening here too.

The established parties (mainly die Grünen SPD, CDU/CSU and FDP) have been unable for decades to solve problems like decaying infrastructures, pensions, bureaucracy and taxes. They're so disconnected from reality that they probably don't even know what the normal citizen bothers and then with the big immigration waves starting in 2015 and the complete and utter failure in handling it gave rise to parties, mainly the AfD, who promised solutions for everything.

Also, we can not forget the influence Russia and China have on our politics. They want nothing more than Western powers in disarray and it gets widely ignored or dismissed.

[-] Treczoks@lemmy.world 3 points 13 hours ago

It is not the failure of a single parties' leadership if a majority votes for fashism.

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 7 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

they are also fascists with billionaire friends. they just aint loud and brazen about it.

always being content with the lesser evil just brings us back to evil anyway.

[-] return2ozma@lemmy.world 66 points 1 day ago

Kamala Harris truly is Hillary Clinton 2.0.

Many of Harris’s mistakes were similar to those Hillary Clinton made in 2016. Like Clinton, Harris cozied up to billionaire donors. Mark Cuban, for instance, said he was delighted that Harris was abandoning Democrats’ commitments to progressive principles and letting the business community propose the policies it wanted. Like Clinton, Harris and Tim Walz made hubristic campaign stops in solidly red states like Texas and Kentucky rather than spending the final days laser-focused on crucial battlegrounds. Like Clinton, Harris emphasized celebrity endorsements while failing to successfully court unions. (Most notably, the Teamsters declined to endorse her after she refused to pledge that she wouldn’t break a national railway strike.) Like Clinton, Harris focused too much on the danger of Donald Trump (which is very real) and not enough on the reasons why she would be good at being president herself.

[-] aquafunk@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 4 hours ago

after she refused to pledge that she wouldn't break a national railway strike

JUST LIE my god youll already be in office and can make up some nonsense why you had to break the strike (Im not antiunion, Im just saying)

JUST FUCKING LIE or were all the existential threats you wouldnt shut the fuck up about (instead of actually having a platform) not worth doing whatever you needed to get into power!?

... sigh

[-] danc4498@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago

I’ll just say that all the policies she proposed seemed entirely uninteresting to me. Credits for first time home buyers and something about building new homes seemed like her main talking point. This is great for all the people that don’t currently own a home and want to but does nothing for most people that also need help.

[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 6 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

It benefits you by reducing homelessness and poverty in general which has a much higher cost for society in the long run. Holy fuck you guys are so self centered.

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[-] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 22 points 1 day ago

Instead of saying that Harris or the dnc dropped the ball, consider that over half the voting population in the US chose a senile, white, male, racist, felon who increased your taxes unless you were rich and stole classified documents, that is chums with Putin.

Maybe instead of "the dnc dropped the ball" it could be considered that the slight majority of Americans are just racist, sexist, uneducated, short sighted idiots?

No one needed to know much beyond seeing how bad trump has been. There shouldn't have needed to be a "make Harris better" plan. America seen that trump shitbox and still chose him.

[-] BananaTrifleViolin@lemmy.world 12 points 20 hours ago

It's nice to blame voters for parties failing to win elections. That absolves the party of responsibility - "we were right, it was voters who are wrong".

But that won't win an election. And that attitude will gift the mid terms and even 2028 to the republicans.

The DNC fucked up - it backed Biden despite clear signs he was not a good candidate for this election, the primary process who a fig leaf of democracy rather than putting forward the party's best and brightest, it then fought concerns of Biden health and hid the truth, then when he finally stepped down late in the day it arranged a coronation for Harris. And then after behaving undemocratically repeatedly it had the gall to make the election about "saving democracy".

Voters didn't do these things, the DNC did.

Instead of demonising voters and non voters, it's better to ask what should the party have done differently to win them over and what does it need to do to win them over in the mid terms.

[-] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

It doesn't absolve. If people are acting like it does, then they're wrong and it still is true without absolving. It just points out that people voting for trump is overwhelmingly the problem.

And also, the Democrats ran their failed diet republican strategy. But if they fucked up twice as bad as they did, there's sill no reason to vote trump, and that remains the main issue.

The non-magas have to lock arms and stand together until ranked choice, no electoral college, and no citizens united. That's the front door to the future.

[-] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 19 hours ago

It's nice for you to ignore that over half the voters in this country voted for someone that they knew was a sexist, racist, felon. A slice of bread with no advertising should have gotten more votes than him.

[-] LucidNightmare@lemm.ee 10 points 1 day ago

Fucking seriously though. I can see the frustration with the DNC, but some form of action is a hell of a lot better than the total dismantle of America as it is right now. These people could have easily looked into Kamala's policies that show quite a few good ideas, and a few that I personally didn't jive with (increase child tax credits, while the people like me and my partner are staunchly against having children that will grow into a world on fire, get absolutely nothing). Didn't stop me from voting for her though, you know why? Trump has NO plan (GOOD plan, they've got PLENTY of bad plans lined up for us all!). AT ALL. So, America's idiots STILL chose this orange buffoon, with no plans at all, just sparkly words, and now we are really sitting here and trying to blame Harris, who only had 107 days to get her message out there? Come on, Lemmy. I thought you were better than this...

[-] poke@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 day ago

The government allowed lies to be told on TV and on the internet under the guise of news. There were no real consequences to those who had listeners and repeated foreign government talking points for money. We have not seen any real investigation on how much interference was ran on social media.

Nearly every human being believes that they are a good person making rational decisions, so its important to examine the environment around these people to where they can believe they made the right choice when it comes to electing Trump and sadly, it seems our mostly unregulated free speech that let it happen, because the republican party is more organized and effective in communicating their platform and slandering their opponents than democrats are, and they motivated more people to vote than the democrats could as a result. Anger and hate are strong emotions and motivators, and unfortunately the republicans keep on using them and it keeps on working.

I have no idea what you're blaming Lemmy on, if anything I'd expect the userbase here to be more active and left-leaning voters than average. People have a good reason to be frustrated, and I think pointing that frustration at the only alternative option we had for a political party failing election after election to learn how to communicate and how to deliver on what the people really want is a reasonable take.

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[-] That_Devil_Girl@lemmy.ml 38 points 1 day ago

Democrats are not leftists, they're center right. I'm so sick of people thinking Democrats are going to fix this, protect that, and make things better. Democrats serve their corporate masters, and they'll make vague promises that they know they won't keep.

[-] JeffKerman1999@sopuli.xyz 31 points 1 day ago

I really don't care, do you?

If people didn't vote for Harris it just means they are happy with fascists.

[-] unmagical@lemmy.ml 31 points 1 day ago

I care because I'm not happy with fascists, and yet, due to others' apathy, ignorance, malice, or a mix thereof I have to live in a land ruled by fascists.

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[-] SkyNTP@lemmy.ml 9 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago)

Keep telling yourself institutions are going to save democracy.

The ultimate responsibility of keeping a functioning democracy lies with the people. Complaining about failing institutions or parties is no more productive than armchair political activity.

Confront people about their choices and how they let this happen. Hold people accountable for all the election promises and obvious outcomes the new administration implements.

[-] clutchtwopointzero@lemmy.world 8 points 20 hours ago

But America really has remarkably weak and poorly designed institutions that only work as long people don't abuse it... Which is to neglect human nature and not prepare for it. America's flaunted "checks and balances" never worked

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[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

This is what happens when anyone that warns someone is sick gets burnt at the stake as a witch.

When your own party is criticizing the candidate, you need to realize that 17 million more aren't going to put the effort into complaining, they're not going to hold their nose and vote.

They're just gonna stay home.

So when the politically active tries to warn the party, it would behoove the party to listen to it's base.

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