You're in this picture whether you like it or not.

I voted for her. The Democrats are still at fault.

Are we, the Democratic party out of touch?

No, it's the electorate's fault!

Harris ran a perfect campaign. If she was running as a (pre-Trump) republican. However, we know that:

1. She isn't a Republican
2. She banked on pulling in republican voters, instead of rallying her base
3. Republicans will almost always vote for the R instead of policy
4. She backed off of every single progressive idea she started with
5. She trotted out establishment Democrats to lecture the electorate instead of inspire them
6. Tlaib pulled twice the numbers as Harris as the only anti-genocide Palestinian in Congress

It's Harris and the Democrats. Should people have voted? Yes. Is it understandable why people didn't want to vote for the person telling them that she'll be a good republican and support a genocide? Also yes.

Way more than two options here.

I voted for Harris, and I encouraged others to as well. And I think the Democratic leadership royally fucked up here.

The polls kinda sucked in the end, and I think one reason is that folks were embarrassed to admit they were voting for Trump. That to me says that they voted for him not because he's a racist sexist pig, but in spite of this.

But the polls did afaik get that the economy was hugely important. And the Democrats failed here both in current policy (groceries got more expensive over the course of Biden's term), and in proposed policy messaging. No one cares about home buyer credits if you can't afford groceries. (And no, I don't think Trump has a plan to lower prices aside from shady back room deals that will ultimately cost us big

but voters want something new...)

To be clear, I voted for Biden, I voted for Harris, and I'm pretty scared about the future. But the Democrats need to learn something from this or it's same story in four years. Maybe the lesson is "we can't count on the left in this country to vote for us by default," and maybe the lesson is, "for the love of God raise hell if the cost of living goes up, and do it in a way that appeals to the lowest common denominator."

I think it was both playing chicken against each other. Dem leadership refused to listen to "progressives", I E.: things that most Americans wanted, and the voters refused to vote until the Dems listened to them.

So they crashed into each other and now the country is going to burn down.

Two things can be true at once.

Everyone who didn't vote, voted third party or for Trump, or encouraged others to do the same, supported fascism coming into power in this country.

Harris failed her country when it needed her, specifically, most; and the Dem leadership in general failed the country grotesquely in the same manner.

Yes you should have voted for Kamala and yes it's the Democrats at fault. Both are true.

Ah, yes. All of you *checks notes* 4.5 million eligible lemmy users who abstained should be ashamed of themselves. /s

ITT Americans trying to justify their apathy at allowing bigotry to rule.

The rest of us across the world are all just aghast at all of you and your lack of duty and never wanting to take personal responsibility.

I voted for Kamala..

It's the Democrats fault.

Why are y'all so scared of blaming the people in power who failed reaching voters?

"I can't just run on not being the other guy? I actually have to articulate a platform and get people to like me???"

Give and Take. It doesn't matter. You aren't selling shit if you aren't offering what the people want. They wanted a rock to throw in a glass house and Trump promised to be that rock, not the Democrats. Yet, they will never learn this lesson.

They're both right. If you didn't vote for Harris, you were incredibly misguided. But it's not my job to get Harris elected, it's the DNC's.

Oh we're not even waiting until 2028 to start up the infighting again. How fun. At least we'll have something to discuss while in line for the showers.

The left: Infighting is why Kamala lost!

Also the left: In this essay I will detail every faction of the left that is guilty of infighting, and why they are wrong...

False choice fallacy. Both can be the problem.

It may cost a lot of lives, but at least you got your moral high ground. Must be nice having the mental age of a 5yo and be content.

It's amazing how we get convinced to fight each other. The reason the orange felon got elected is that people voted for him. They are at fault that he got elected. Stop bickering amongst each other and call out those who would incite you to do so!

Yeah its fucking both, duh.