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[-] Theprogressivist@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago
[-] 7dev7random7@suppo.fi -1 points 1 week ago

Came here and expected this as the top comment.

[-] llamatron@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

"Consent"

Like consent even comes into it

[-] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago

Con (people that) sent (isnt the smell of child rape)

[-] GBU_28@lemm.ee 0 points 1 week ago

So does that align with Mohammad 's second wife?

All religion is just a framework to be shitty.

[-] Yawweee877h444@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I dont know why you'd be downvoted, people should be reminded of this often.

The prophet Muhammad married his wife Aisha when she was 6 years old. According to the history he waited until she was 9 to start raping her.

Edit: he was 53 when he started raping his 9 year old wife. Fucking gross.

[-] GBU_28@lemm.ee 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Edit, phrasing.

I hate Abrahamic origin religious systems en masse, especially when states use them to justify bullshit. Goes for western countries too.

Some folks probably think I'm targeting

[-] Yawweee877h444@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

I hate Abrahamic origin religious systems en masse

Right there with you in agreement 100%. This iron age mythology superstitious nonsense needs to be eradicated completely, and only studied academically from a sociological perspective for what it really is, myth, as well as all the pain, suffering, death and horror it has caused human beings, and still is causing. Fuck religion.

[-] BrundleFly2077@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Bronze Age 😋 #Ackchyually. Root narratives of Judaism and so the Abrahamic tradition from roughly 2000-1200 BCE

Ignore me.

[-] mightyfoolish@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Do you have a source for that? I would think the oldest passages of the old testament go back to the 900s at best. That's why the oldest historical figure the bible has is Pharaoh Shoshank. I'd be surprised to see if anything from before the Bronze Age Collapse made it in (besides being vaguely Semetic).

[-] wick@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Yea I think you're more right, Judaism didn't kick off until the early iron age, and changed over time. But also the roots in late bronze age semetic culture are, if not significant, at least relevant depending on the conversation.

Source: theologians dunking on evangelicals on YouTube, and Wikipedia.

[-] mightyfoolish@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

That makes sense. I also hear that the laws of the Old Testament take considerable amount of inspiration from the Laws of Hammurabi; which was developed earlier in the Bronze Age.

[-] BrundleFly2077@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago

Right. Keref Hinnom is 600BCE, so a wee bit earlier than the actual reference to ol’ King Shawshank redemption. But there’s oral tradition _probably_ running as early as 1200BCE. - I was talking Abrahamic tradition (as per the dude I was replying to, so not explicitly Christianity… in which case you’re completely correct) 

https://dokumen.pub/the-abrahamic-religions-a-very-short-introduction-very-short-introductions-627-1stnbsped-9780190654368-0190654341-9780190654344.html - Cohen, Charles L., 'The Jewish matrix (1200 bce–70 ce)', The Abrahamic Religions: A Very Short Introduction”

[-] mightyfoolish@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

probably running as early as 1200BCE

I could agree there was something "related" by 1200BCE at the EARLIEST. After all, Judahites, Edomites, and Qederites do not even show up till 900 BC; a few hundred years after the Amorite civilization begins its downward spiral (where some of their last traces are seen in the mixed ethnic group of Palmyra which has elements of Amorites, Arameans, and Arabs mixed together -- even though they are virtually identical cultures).

Nothing to see here guys. All cultures are equal and thinking the West has a better way is colonialism

/s

[-] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 week ago

Sure the west and their settler colonialism massive resource extraction and so on is great. And its not like the many religious problems against say homosexuality in christian Africa can't be directly be blamed on christian missionaries. And its also not like poverty and brutal attacks on secular nationalists in the middle east in the name of fighting communism has anything to do with modern political Islam. No sir.

That's quite some whataboutism. I'm clearly talking about the insanity of 9 year old girls being forced to wed..

[-] mightyfoolish@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

I understand that Saddam Hussein was a terrible man. But it sucks that support from his opposition is what helped push this. They're not bad because they are Shia; they are simply the worst of the people that opposed Hussein. This is what happens when you prop up puppet governments. The rights of the people aren't important to the puppeteer.

Tl:dr: Even with Saddam Hussein's death, Iraq never got its freedom.

[-] kava@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

At the time when we launched the aggressive and illegal invasion of a sovereign county, we were doing it for Democracy™ and Human Rights™

At the time, you would have been called a traitor, shill, or insane to suggest otherwise.

After some years, it becomes absolutely clear none of it was true. It was all for imperialist motives. It seems that the propaganda is strong, but it has a short half life. Today you'll have trouble finding someone defending the US invasion of Iraq.

I think we are seeing the same thing with Ukraine war. In 10, 15 years people will see the war for what it is- a progressive destabilization of Eastern Europe and intentional proxy war.

But right now- it's Sovereignty™, International Law™, and Democracy™

We destroyed Iraq. We doomed millions of people for generations. And we are participating right now in the destruction of another country.

It's just that we do. We destroy.

[-] mightyfoolish@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

I think we are seeing the same thing with Ukraine war. In 10, 15 years people will see the war for what it is- a progressive destabilization of Eastern Europe and intentional proxy war.

I was wondering what you meant by this but now I think I get it. We created a puppet state in Iraq to get a "buffer" against Iran. The same way Putin wants Ukraine to be its buffer against the rest of Europe. Did I get that right?

I agree with the rest of what you said.

[-] kava@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

we've been pumping money into regime change in Ukraine since the early 90s. NED (National Endowment for Democracy) used to show the dollar figures and specific organizations on their website but deleted that information a while back. You can still find it with Wayback Machine

Essentially we've been funding and supporting organizations in Ukraine under the guise of "pro-Democracy™" "pro-Liberty™" with the goal of supporting any potential chances for regime change. Some of those organizations just happen to be associated with the far-right groups that were part of the initial government that was unconstitutionally appointed In 2014 after Euromaidan- a series of violent protests that forced the pro-Russian president to flee the country.

tldr: we've been destabilizing Ukraine for a long time. the idea was to peel off Ukraine from Russia's orbit and throw it into the US orbit. And it worked. Which is why Russia invaded in 2014

Note before I get the inevitable Russian shill comments - I'm not justifying any aggressive invasion by Russia. I'm saying this is a proxy war - a game of tug of war between two larger powers. Neither care in the slightest about what actually happens to the Ukrainians.

They will not recover from this war for a hundred years. But Lockheed Martin stock will perform nicely

edit: and remember this comment in 15 years. people will be talking as if what I'm saying is obvious. but right now the propaganda is strong- just like in 2003 with invasion of Iraq

[-] mightyfoolish@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

That's pretty sad. I don't understand why we play with so many millions of lives as if it's all one just big game. Thank you for the through reply.

[-] wick@lemm.ee 0 points 1 week ago

What a weird arbitrary number. I wonder where they got that idea from.

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