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[-] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 29 points 5 days ago

well no shit. the problem is russias’s “peace plan” is “Ukraine no longer exists”

[-] Bartsbigbugbag@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 days ago

What evidence do we have of that? A peace deal was already talked through, but fell through. It did not have any such provisions in it.

[-] _pi@lemmy.ml 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Russia's "Peace Plan" is to actually take over Ukraine, and then the Baltics, and then Poland, and then Germany and the rest of the Central Europe, and then France and the UK, and rest of Western Europe, and then they'll take over the Atlantic Ocean and Iceland and Greenland, and then they'll come and take over the United States, state by state starting from the East Coast going to the West Coast, and then Hawaii, and then Japan, and then they'll autocoup themselves oblast by oblast starting with Vladivostok where they'll be dug in for months trying to make roads that connect to the rest of Russia but then they'll keep marching West and when they finally loop all the way back around to Lviv the whole West will be defeated and we'll all be speaking Russian and saying Hail Putler and the brave Galician racists will be rolling in their graves saying I told you so.

And that's why at least 4 generations of Ukrainian men need to be eradicated for American interests in Eastern Europe.

[-] superkret@feddit.org 4 points 5 days ago

The Ukrainians seem to disagree.

[-] humble_pete_digger@lemm.ee -2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I don't think that's the case. It exists, Just demilitarized.

[-] finderscult@lemmy.ml -3 points 5 days ago

No, Russias peace plan is the separatist nations get to exist, and Ukraine doesn't get NATO bases so they can't build up a second attack any time soon.

Russia has been quite reasonable throughout.

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 6 points 5 days ago

Didn’t you hear, Putler is a fascist madman who will stop at nothing short of Soviet revanchism or European Lebensraum, depending on which member of the Council on Foreign Relations you ask on a given day.

[-] MarxMadness@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 4 days ago

Out of the 52% who favor negotiations, 52% said Ukraine should be open to territorial concessions

So the number of Ukrainians who favor realistic negotiations is about 26%.

[-] humble_pete_digger@lemm.ee 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

There is almost no reason for them to fight.
Surprised it took this long.

Either side are capitalist oligarchs.

Russia gives them citizenship and the EU will still recognize old Ukrainian citizenship. it's like a win win. Whats the benefit to keep fighting, just strange.

If I would get conscripted - if just walk away if those are my choices or just surrender.

[-] davel@lemmy.ml 10 points 5 days ago
[-] _pi@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 days ago
[-] Grapho@lemmy.ml 7 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Who gives a fuck about Ukrainians though, what does Jimmy Bob in Bumfuck Nebrahoma think?

It's the inalienable right of liberals to claim the high ground for their Nazi ass government to sacrifice foreign people for their stock market.

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