Working at the office in style of Hieronymus Bosch (lemmy.ml)

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[-] thesmokingman@programming.dev 17 points 1 month ago

I don’t normally get mad at genAI art. This one makes me mad. A huge part of Bosch is the tiny detail. There’s scholarly debate about how we interpret the detail; it’s incredibly wrong to say something is in the style of Hieronymus Bosch without clever little details. This AI garbage just has a bunch of repeated lens flares, age marks, and blobs. Also in the style of Bosch implies something we can interpret, be it a dark take on office work or capitalists teaching us lessons. I don’t know what the fuck we can take away from this.

This is more “someone with the title ‘prompt engineer’ spent three minutes hunt-and-pecking the name ‘Hieronymus Bosch’ into midjourney and grabbed the first image that was sort of muted earth tones” than “remotely in the vicinity of the style of Hieronymus Bosch.”

[-] xorollo@leminal.space 5 points 1 month ago

Agreed. There should be little rodent people chewing off others legs, and at least some tiny sex scenes where there is no joy.

[-] vext01@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 month ago

I don't think it's supposed to be taken seriously. It's just a throwaway meme.

[-] thesmokingman@programming.dev 7 points 1 month ago

What’s the joke? What’s the story? Why am I exhaling through my nose?

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 month ago

The joke is very obviously that modern software development is hellish. The fact that you couldn't figure out a simple joke, but fancy yourself as some sort of an intellectual and an art critic is really chef's kiss.

[-] thesmokingman@programming.dev 1 points 1 month ago

Why is this hell? This doesn’t look at all like any of the representations of hell that Bosch has done so we’ve got a different hell maybe? Maybe the issue was that the midjourney prompt had nothing to do with your joke?

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago

Maybe the real issue is that you're desperately trying to show how clever and cultured you are while just outing yourself as a boring pedant?

[-] vext01@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 month ago

It's not particularly funny, but it's also not worth getting worked up over.

[+] yogthos@lemmy.ml -13 points 1 month ago

If even a fraction of the rage AI generated content produces could be harnessed as useful energy, it could power all of humanity's needs till the end of time.

[-] thesmokingman@programming.dev 14 points 1 month ago

Shit, why not start with all the wasted energy generating the slop first? You’re solving the wrong problem.

[+] yogthos@lemmy.ml -11 points 1 month ago

Good thing we never found ways to waste energy on shit like NFTs before generative models showed up.

[-] thesmokingman@programming.dev 9 points 1 month ago

Absolutely! Hyped-up vaporware like genAI and blockchain speculation should be nuked from orbit. Glad we agree this all garbage.

[+] yogthos@lemmy.ml -7 points 1 month ago

My point was that wasting energy raging about this stuff isn't going to make it go away.

[-] thesmokingman@programming.dev 6 points 1 month ago

Zero energy wasted calling out dumb shit. It’s never a bad idea to rip into AI slip, especially in the context of things we can spend less energy on. Browbeating was incredibly influential in the dismantling of NFTs, which you correctly pointed out is just as bad a citizen as genAI turds.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml -4 points 1 month ago

Enjoy tilting at windmills I guess.

[-] thesmokingman@programming.dev 4 points 1 month ago

Thanks! It’s always better to try to make the world a better place than it is to peddle billionaire vaporware while mislabeling the most basic concepts of art. I’m so glad we agree this prompt engineer is a witless dishcloth.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml -3 points 1 month ago

It's adorable that you think you're making the world a better place by leaving vapid angry comments on public forums.

[-] thesmokingman@programming.dev 4 points 1 month ago

Should I quote your comments about the same? I love this discussion because the original non sequitur you made seems to apply to these responses! It’s great feedback. I also liked the “tilting at windmills” joke; how clever to ironically misuse a quote from around the same time as the ironic mislabeling of the artist!

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml -4 points 1 month ago

I love it when trolls get angry and start using Latin terms to make themselves sound clever.

[-] thesmokingman@programming.dev 4 points 1 month ago

Thanks! Your 4D chess was my inspiration. Either you have no understanding of the tools you use, the content they generate, and the billionaire propaganda you’ve swallowed while ignoring every single piece of technical knowledge you have in theory or this whole this was a masterclass we all can learn from. Immediately responding to criticism with strawmen, linking the current tech con to the last tech con, losing track of your personas, all fantastic work!

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml -4 points 1 month ago

I applaud you for being able to produce content indistinguishable from a chat bot. A really clever way to illustrate why we don't actually need LLMs.

[-] thesmokingman@programming.dev 4 points 1 month ago

The path to comprehending the complete picture involves engaging in dialogue to grasp the trade-offs considered by each person. This only works if everyone is actually engaging in dialogue, though.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml -3 points 1 month ago

Hence why it's pointless trying to have an actual discussion with people like you.

[-] thesmokingman@programming.dev 3 points 1 month ago

It is crucial to recognize that disagreements generally arise from individuals approaching the problem from different perspectives. I presented my perspective and you went after some straw men. Are there personal insecurities that hinder the expression of contrary opinions here?

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 month ago

Thanks for clarifying that you utterly failed to understand what was being said to you. My point was that the actual problem is with the capitalist system itself. Stuff like Crypto, NFTs, and generative AI is not the root cause of the problems, it's simply a symptom of an underlying problem. Getting upset over these things is a complete and utter waste of energy, and it's utterly misguided. Let me know if you're still having trouble understanding my point and need me to use smaller words to get it across.

[-] thesmokingman@programming.dev 2 points 1 month ago

Oh my goodness simpler words would be nice since we’re struggling with “non sequitur” and “strawman” and “basic connections to underlying language.”

I appreciate your summary! Here’s mine:

(original comment) this has nothing to do with Hieronymus Bosch
(original comment) genAI slop is bad
burning any energy for the current model is bad
NFTs are bad
making fun of people that swallow genAI proganda is always correct
there is a fundamental misunderstanding about how capable the tech is, proganda aside, and a basic review of genAI art slop highlights this
your blog contradicts your online persona

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 month ago

The only one struggling with “non sequitur” and “strawman” and “basic connections to underlying language” is you. Since you keep using these terms without evidently understanding them or even understanding the content of what's being said to you. The irony here of you exhibiting generative model behavior while raging against them is quite hilarious.

None of the points you've listed actually address my argument, and it's pretty clear that you're either incapable of understanding it or intentionally avoid engaging with it. My blog in no way contradicts my online persona, but I guess that's something you felt important to throw in as a way of ad hominem in lieu of having any actual point to make.

Cheers.

[-] thesmokingman@programming.dev 2 points 1 month ago

Since we’ve turned this into a gish gallop

(original comment) this has nothing to do with Hieronymus Bosch: never countered ergo conceded; whole premise is pointless
(original comment) genAI slop is bad: you say capitalism is bad not genAI, I say tech isn’t there and wasting energy is bad; you’ve yet to prove that capitalism being bad (your core argument) means genAI can actually work or that since capitalism is bad burning energy is okay
burning any energy for the current model is bad: you say capitalism is bad; this addresses nothing
NFTs are bad: we agree
making fun of people that swallow genAI proganda is always correct: you conceded the original point and also dropped when I pointed out that making fun of NFTs made things better
there is a fundamental misunderstanding about how capable the tech is, proganda aside, and a basic review of genAI art slop highlights this: you do not provide any analysis here; general tech consensus is that AI is very far from doing anything useful
your blog contradicts your online persona: you’re trying very hard to be mean here so either you’re writing your blog understanding you’re the asshole in the room that no one disagrees with or you’re incapable of self reflection.

We both agree that capitalism is bad, you provide no evidence aside from ad hominem to contradict the most superficial analysis of your midjourney, and you have swallowed way too much genAI propaganda (coincidentally called out many times and left unanswered) without applying any of your development critical thinking skills. You want to burn energy on dumb shit to support billionaires while saying billionaires are bad, I think that’s stupid and enjoy poking fun at any engineer stupid enough to miss the forest for the trees.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 month ago

The only one doing a gish gallop here is you. I had a very clear and simple point all along, which is that it's not productive to perseverate over symptoms of the system. Evidently, you're incapable of addressing this point and instead proceed to keep making straw man arguments that have nothing to do with anything I said. Apparently you think that if you keep writing walls of text that will somehow distract from the fact that you don't have any actual counterpoint to the simple statement I made.

Seeing how you clearly need to have the last word here, I'm going to stop here so you can get it out of your system and move on with your life. Bye.

[-] thesmokingman@programming.dev 0 points 1 month ago

You started with a straw man tho?

[-] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago

I've seen (walked by) less pleasant cubicles.

[-] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago

In the Office of Hell and, actually, also Hell

[-] capybeby@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 month ago

It’s giving low fi beats hip hop beats to relax/study to

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