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submitted 1 year ago by Andonyx@lemmy.ml to c/linux@lemmy.ml

This is my third attempt. Partly to rage quit Windows, and partly to gain utility and control with some professional AV software.

I have converted an old Asus netbook to Ubuntu netbook remix and used it for a while. I was impressed with how much better that tiny thing ran with Linux than Windows. But in the end it still had less power than a TI-84. So I stopped using it, and never really learned Linux proper.

I dual boot my Chromebook, so I can use gimp for photos on vacation, but everything I do with the Linux partition is cut and paste from articles by people who know what they're doing. (I was motivated to post here by a meme about that.)

I'm thinking of dual booting my main desktop, because I need Windows for some fairly processor intense A/V software I use for work. So what would be a good distro to look into for a novice and where should I look for a tutorial? I would ultimately like to see if I can use Linux to run my AV software in emulation and add drivers for some professional audio interfaces. I'm fed up with windows and trying to see how far I can get without it. Your help is appreciated in advance, and if this is inappropriate for this topic, let me know and I'll delete it.

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[-] neytjs@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 year ago

I'm a middle-aged truck driver. I've been using Linux Mint (Cinnamon) now for about seven years as my only operating system (without dual booting) since Windows XP Pro became totally obsolete. Granted, I'm a hobbyist programmer and lifelong computer enthusiast. However, there are definitely some easy to install and use distros out there these days.

[-] pascal@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago

I also endorse Linux mint as a Windows replacement distribution.

[-] Hovenko@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

Dual booting can be problematic. Windows is the most retarded OS ever which sometimes decides to overwrite boot partition.
FOr trying out stuff, you van install Linux as a virtual machine. Check there if your sw works there and is available.

[-] BlahajEnjoyer@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 year ago

This may not work for everyone, but the only way to truly embrace Linux was to wipe the windows partition and start using Linux. That’s it, you no longer have to option to run back to your dual booted Windows if shit doesnt work. You sit down and figure it out.

[-] alfredalpaca@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Before I could fully leave windows, I spent a lot of time being lost in Linux distrohopping and ricing without even fully understanding what I was doing. Without a solid setup to live in, Linux had a weird experimental feel and it got frustrating when I wanted stuff done.

Coming to your case, there are 2 different priorities here: daily driving and Linux proficiency. You're tied into windows for the daily driving bit for now so your main focus should be learning, and that probably won't need a dual boot right away.

First up is understanding why there are so many distributions. Linux is the kernel, the common skeleton that you can't use on its own. There are other modular bits that go on top to make a full fledged OS, and the choices of what those are is what makes a distribution. Learn more about the options available for the modular bits - the ones that you should concern yourself with for now are:

  • package managers: the program responsible for installing and managing software. This is one of the main differences between the major popular variants of Linux(Debian, Arch, fedora etc). For example, on Debian and distros based on it, you'd use apt. That's why you would've probably used apt on Ubuntu, it's based on Debian.
  • desktop environment: all the programs involved with the user interface - the main UI itself. This is a subjective thing and people use different desktop environments based on their workflow.

Once you get this modularity based perspective, distributions wont be overwhelming and vague. You'll understand why people are recommending mint or popOS:

  • it's Ubuntu based and there are many popular Debian and Ubuntu based distros out there. You'll be able to get software easily and if there's some problem you need to debug, there's a relevant question and answer out there
  • mint's desktop environment is cinnamon, which is simple, clean and not too jarring for people coming from windows

You'll also know, you can choose whatever you want as long as it's Ubuntu based for your learning phase. Only at that point I think it will make sense to dual boot. You can boot in for particular reasons instead of a vague "let me understand Linux". The reasons will be finding alternative software to daily drive, learning how to use the terminal or just getting comfortable with Linux in general. From there, you can find your own way or reach out to the community with questions specific for your use cases.

[-] UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Distrohopping is the only real answer here. It's the only way you can experience all the stuff Linux has to offer and it can be a lot of fun.

[-] CrypticCoffee@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

I would suggest Linux Mint Cinnamon. It's very Windows like, and just works. It's a great distro to get started. I started on it, and many others have. Non-techy relatives really took to it also.

[-] rawfox@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

My advice is, learning new things can be a pleasure, so try to improve your learning skills. Everything is possible then.

[-] shreddy_scientist@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Kubuntu or Mint are great distro's to begin with when starting your linux journey. It's good to know down the road these should really be moved on from, but they're great to get the ball rollin for sure!

[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago

What about them means that you should move on?

[-] shreddy_scientist@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

There's a wide user base in mind with each, so rarely does anyone use all of the included packages. This could be defined as bloatware, plus proficiency in linux to me means anything can be done via terminal or GUI. The base distro's have some task which require the terminal, while mint and kubuntu are managed via GUI.

[-] K0W4LSK1@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

I just made the full time switch to pop os and I've been happy so far

Rather than trying to muck with dual booting, I would recommend picking up a Lenovo T430S or better laptop on Amazon from around 150.00-500.00. Lenovo ThinkPad T series laptops are incredibly well supported by Linux. Then install Linux Mint. This is a great way to get started with a low barrier to entry. As you get better, you can start tinkering with the innards. By getting a cheap spare machine with which to learn Linux on, it will be the least disruptive to you.

[-] curioushom@lemmy.one 1 points 1 year ago

While this is a valid advice normally, OP has already tried this with Linux on a netbook and a dual boot chromebook. Since OP wants to do AV stuff it's probably going to be a lot better experience with a desktop (assuming more capable than laptop) and monitor(s). Going another laptop route might be fine for learning but OP wants to switch and that's not going to happen unless it's on OP's main rig.

My advice would be leave the windows installation alone and add a new drive (SSDs are pretty cheap these days) and install Linux on that. Use the BIOS to set the default drive to the new Linux drive and install and use Linux. You'll have your windows install exactly how it is when you want to go back and just pick that as the boot device from the boot menu. Making Linux the default boot drive also helps with habit forming.

[-] ryannathans@lemmy.fmhy.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Start with something like Pop!_OS and learn by working out how you do all your daily tasks. Once you are competent with that, try tweaking a few things to run how you want, or try new technology. Enabling wayland for example. Then before you know it you'll have a large beard and preach the benefits of free software

And every time you need to run a command, work out what it does. Use the built in manual (man command)

[-] Ticktok@lemmy.one 1 points 1 year ago

I personally finally made the fulltime switch in November 2021 after years of on again off again attempts. The one I was finally able to stick with was Endeavour OS with KDE desktop. It's basically just an arch distro with a good installer and som QoL apps. Easy to maintain and a good community if you need assistance.

And with the creation of Bottles running windows software has been surprisingly easy. I do some home studio recording and just got EZdrummer setup as a vst in Ardour, and it just works.

[-] MargotRobbie@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

My advice is to restart with Arch (I use Arch btw). Not Manjaro, I'm talking Arch.

I think using/installing Arch as well as its barebones nature FORCES you to understand how Linux works differently than Windows with concepts like root, bootloader, terminal emulation, and disk partitioning, just to give you some examples. At the same time, Arch has excellent documentation, a great package manager in pacman, and rolling release model that greatly simplifies maintainance during daily use so you can tune it to exactly how you want it.

I believe doing it the hard way at first will make it easier for you in the long run if you really want to understand Linux, and Arch is just the right amount of difficult to make you learn Linux, whereas Gentoo would be too hard and you don't learn enough from using Ubuntu/Debian/Mint.

But yeah, if you just want to use something that works well out of the box, then Ubuntu is great, there's nothing wrong with using the more user friendly distros.

[-] PeterPoopshit@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

I'm a long time Linux user but I'm really lazy. I recently installed Arch to try it out again as last time I did it was maybe 2012. Personally, manually setting up the hard drive partitions on initial install is just annoying enough to be too much work (I have a lot of drives) but luckily there's an installer that does that part for you. Everything else you have to do is sensible and easy and actually ends up being less work in the long run. The wiki is also extremely informative, helpful and correct.

Arch probably can be a beginner distro just because if you have a problem it's so much easier to find out how to fix it on the internet thanks to the wiki and the forums. Something as mundane as installing nvidia drivers in Debian can be a massive ordeal and the minimum required skill level to fix it yourself if it doesn't work on the first attempt is very high.

[-] Cybersteel@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Yea took me a while to understand that I need some drivers to install if I wanted to turn on hardware acceleration to watch videos on my computer.

[-] inverimus@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

I didn't stick with Linux as a daily driver until I tried Manjaro. Learned enough to be comfortable installing Arch and ran that for a while, but after installing it a few times I was looking something a little bit simpler to setup. I now prefer EndeavourOS which is basically Arch with a nice installer and a few QoL apps.

[-] Vlyn@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

I tried that after already having about 2 years experience with Ubuntu desktop and an Ubuntu server (but still mostly a Windows user). I'm also a software developer.

And I failed to install Arch on a laptop the last time I tried it out. Ubuntu ran flawlessly, trying to go step by step through the Arch installation I hit a random error (at a step that was very straight forward and easy in the documentation) and got stuck. Messed around with it and at some point gave up.

I mean that's years ago, it probably works a lot better nowadays and especially on more modern hardware, but even so for someone new to Linux I'd never tell them to go with a do-it-yourself install. Slap Ubuntu on that bad boy, let them install a few packages, do a handful of terminal commands and they'll get much farther. Instead of giving up three hours in because a random command (that they still don't understand) is broken.

[-] MargotRobbie@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

If you look at the original post, his goal is to learn and understand Linux and he is on his third attempt after already trying Ubuntu remix, which is why I made this suggestion.

Again, if he just wanted to use Linux on his computer, then there is nothing wrong with using a more user friendly distro at all. But for his particular needs he described, then Arch is a better distro for learning how Linux actually works.

[-] Vlyn@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

But as OP said, they already failed several times. That's like telling someone who nearly drowned in the shallow end of a pool to go jump into the ocean.

See here:

So what would be a good distro to look into for a novice and where should I look for a tutorial?

For me it feels like they do want to learn, but aren't comfortable yet as a day to day user. They want to use Linux, but struggle with commands and how to use it. Having a stable and easy to use system you can use each day without trouble would probably be a better start than telling them to fiddle with Arch. Give them an easy distro and when they want to learn more they can use the crappy old laptop and try to install Arch on there (while leaving their daily driver alone).

I think I learned the most when using Ubuntu for school, 90% of it was easy and straight forward. 10% of it was hell, like back in the day getting HDMI or audio to work. But because the 90% were there I just dug in and spent a dozen hours to troubleshoot the rest.

[-] lvxferre@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

General tips:

  • Don't look for Linux versions of the Windows software you use. Instead look for software that fulfils the same purpose.
  • If you're cutting-and-pasting a lot of stuff from those articles, give yourself a check on what those things actually do. See it as a small investment of time to economise time later on, as you'll rely less and less on those articles.
  • Stick to popular distros. And for the desktop environment (DE), use whatever works for you.
  • Keep it easy. It's fine if you need to log into Windows once in a while, but over time you'll notice yourself doing it less and less.
[-] Barbarian@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

give yourself a check for what those things do

To add, don't kick yourself for forgetting and needing to double-check something. For example, even as a Linux vet, I still sometimes need to double-check whether it's -r or -R for recursive on whatever command I'm using sometimes.

[-] bert@lemmy.monster 0 points 1 year ago

history | grep

Saves my bacon almost every day!

[-] anti_hero@fosstodon.org 1 points 1 year ago

@bert @Barbarian i use fzf on command history

[-] tabular@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Being able to easily switch back to Windows hindered my attempt to learn Linux. When I wasn't in the mood to learn a new concept, or failed to get something working after a few tries, then I'd just boot right back into Windows. I was able to push on when I deleted Windows in a rage and now the alternative to getting over the Linux hill was going back down and doing the "no, no, no, no, fuck off" dance that is the Windows install process.

Websites recommending Ubuntu to noobs didn't help me much. The panel being stuck of the left size of the monitor after my friend boasted about customization on Linux really grinds my gears. Linux Mint was much better coming from Windows, and I'm still on it years later.

[-] RassilonianLegate@mstdn.social 2 points 1 year ago

@tabular
@Andonyx
Agreed on all points, I didn't end up finally switching to linux until I got so fed up with the auto update caused issue I was having that I just got rid of windows entirely

And while I at first switched to Ubuntu, I wouldn't be happy until a few months later when I landed on fedora with KDE

[-] mvirts@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Only one thing: never give up. You'll get things fixed by copy and paste until one day youll have a broken system and think wait I actually know how to fix this because I've been through it five times before.

[-] spclagntdanazoe@possumpat.io 0 points 1 year ago
[-] OrnateLuna@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago

Who needs time shift when you can just slowly break your system while trying to fix a bug and then just either reinstall the os or switch to a different distro bc might as well

[-] starscapesarah@mastodon.social 1 points 1 year ago

@OrnateLuna @spclagntdanazoe [ cries in distro hopping 8 times in one weekend ]

[-] pineapple@lemmy.fmhy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

I have an arguably bad piece of advice, but one I hadn't seen in skimming the replies.

You could always install Windows in a VM. Libvirt and virt-manager offer a pleasant GUI experience so it's easy to do. If you give the VM a heavy resource allotment (while leaving a reasonable amount for the host) it should still perform well. The VM video driver is the only place you take a not insignificant performance hit, but for A/V manipulation I don't think it'll matter. Unless you use GPU based video encoding. In which case it'll be CPU bound now so slower. You can potentially do PCI pass through to your GPU but that adds complexity.

A big downside here is that as far as Windows is concerned, this is different "hardware" so it won't activate based on your physical device. As I recall, it only allows the use of one core while unactivated which is pretty much unusable. So a pretty hefty expense relative to a personal VM, I think. But it is an option.

[-] Tippon@lemmy.fmhy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

"A big downside here is that as far as Windows is concerned, this is different "hardware" so it won't activate based on your physical device."

You can transfer a Windows licence from another installation, so in OP's situation, from the original installation. During Windows setup, select the 'I don't have a license key' option, then once Windows is installed, go into settings, click the Windows isn't activated option, and go through the activation troubleshooter.

I can't remember exactly where, but somewhere in there is the option to transfer the license from another installation. It has to be the same version of Windows.

[-] nan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 year ago

The license transfer also depends what edition was being used. OEM may be stuck with the hardware, traditionally you could take a retail license to a new install.

[-] Tippon@lemmy.fmhy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

That's a good point. It's been so long since I had to buy a new copy that I can't remember what version I have.

[-] girlfreddy@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago

Not a pro take here ... but when I was playing with various distros back in early 2001-03 I favoured Ubuntu, simply because it was the most user friendly (still have an old laptop duel-booted with it).

distrowatch.com is a good place to look around and check out what's new and true to your needs.

The old-style web page is the same as it was in 2001; brings back good memories. :)

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