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submitted 1 day ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) by JeSuisUnHombre@lemm.ee to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

I, like many and hopefully some of y'all, stopped paying my student loans during Covid and never restarted paying because we're supposed to have gotten relief from this debt that should've never existed in the first place. Now we have Trump coming back which kills the possibility of debt relief. So should I start repaying so I don't get my wages garnished? Or do we think the government is going to be too inefficient to come after it?

Edit: At one point when I heard that it was the only way to get forgiveness, I moved all my debt from a third party to being a government loan. Does that change anything?

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[-] lattrommi@lemmy.ml 11 points 15 hours ago

I moved all my debt from a third party to being a government loan. Does that change anything?

Yes, that is the wisest move you could have mmade considering your circumstances as I understand. I am not an accountant, lawyer or professional of any kind that's relevant. Some of what I say here may be incorrect. To the best of my knowledge it's accurate. I am someone who had the entirety of their student loans forgiven, thanks to president Joe Biden. It took a large amount of time spent reading legalese, time on the phone with loan servicer representatives and way too much time worrying about shit which I could not change quickly or easily.

First thing: No one should ever be trapped in a situation, where they feel they must choose between bills/food/rent or paying loans granted for educational purposes and enabled/encouraged by the government. No one. Honestly it's ironic in my opinion, that there is a lack of educational resources available for mitigating debt gained solely for the purpose of education.

Thankfully, there are also many, many rules in place, made to prevent your situation and others like it from occurring.

  1. Call your loan servicer or spend time on their website.

If you suck on the phone, go to their website. If the website sucks or is confusing, take short notes and write down any questions. The most likely best option for you is an Income Driven Repayment plan. IDR. However, some people may not qualify due to whatever loan scams were available when the loan was first taken out.

  1. The servicer representatives are paid regardless of what you do.

The person you talk to is not getting a commision. Your payments do not go to them. They are there to answer your questions. Their job is to keep the account out of default. They (probably) do not want you to go into default or declare bankruptcy. They (hopefully) want you to communicate, work with them and eventually make payments or contribute to society (more on that later). The government owns your debt. That debt is also probably insured or negligable. The government probably does not NEED your balance in full on time. They have other ways of generating income, like literally generating physical currency. Having wages garnished and getting drops in your credit score are from not doing anything and gnoring the debt and their notices.

  1. IDR.

On an IDR they will look at your income and any other expenses you might have. Some things count in your favor like paying your electric bill and rent, other things are irrelevant like a nyetflix subscription or paying for ubers. They determine through algorithms or math or something if you can afford to make payments or not. If you are truly in dire finanacial stress, you probably will get a deferment if you aren't already on one.

  1. There are other debt forgiveness programs.

If you work as a teacher you can get loans forgiven. Same goes for certain types of public service. There are other repayment plan options. Check studentaid.gov, it has a forgiveness page with a wealth of information. It isn't always easy to understand because there is a lot of nuance and circumstances covered. You can try calling their hotline number too but I had better luck with the servicer. Mine were forgiven due to being totally and permanently disabled. I had no idea it was an option.

  1. Conclusion.

There are other comments here basically saying "jUsT pAy it" which aren't contributing to the conversation at all. They should be treated as what they are: trolls and losers. Fuck them. They deserve nothing, not a second glance, not a reply, not even a downvote. Fuck. Those. Pricks.

Good luck, don't let your past define your future. Unless you want it to.

[-] JeSuisUnHombre@lemm.ee 2 points 14 hours ago

I appreciate the great info listed here. And yes absolutely to your conclusion. I am wondering your thoughts on the Trump admin's ability to come collect / how that might affect me long term.

[-] lattrommi@lemmy.ml 5 points 12 hours ago

The key words there are 'long term'. It takes forever to get these rules and regulations in place and they aren't going to be dismantled immediately. Rome didn't fall in a day. I think IDR's and most of the alternative payment plans have fixed interest rates. You're likely at a fixed rate already. Ask about those if you call the loan servicer. Any significant change will take time and have pushback. Get your shit sorted out ASAP for sure, you should be doing that anyways. Then worry about what changes a bankrupted pedophile might try to pull.

[-] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 17 hours ago

As much as it sucks, we most likely aren't getting student loan forgiveness. It didn't happen while Biden was in the height of his presidency, so it's even less likely to happen now. It's especially not happening now when the next guy up would most likely just repeal anything shoved through for it at the last minute before he takes office.

Switching to a government backed loan like you did should give you more options to potentially continue deferment based off your income, but that is something you would need to sort out with your loan provider. The term is "income based repayment".

[-] lattrommi@lemmy.ml 1 points 12 hours ago

It didn’t happen while Biden was in the height of his presidency

It didn't?

In his first year in office I remember loans were getting partially forgiven through the public service forgiveness, (for firefighters, teachers, first responders and other civil servants) Prior to Biden, that program forgave ~7,000 loans in full or in part since it started in 2007. Overall, the current leadership has forgave some or all student loan debt for over 4 million people so far. That's pretty great I think. Hopefully they manage to help a few more of the remaining 10 million victims.

[-] JeSuisUnHombre@lemm.ee 1 points 17 hours ago

I think I acknowledged that first paragraph. But is the new administration going to have the manpower to do anything about it?

[-] SinAdjetivos@beehaw.org 5 points 16 hours ago

Another aspect to consider is whether you anticipate inflation to exceed interest. With all the threats of major tariff wars it might make sense not to pay them/resist paying for as long as possible for that reason alone.

[-] 2ugly2live@lemmy.world 15 points 21 hours ago

Start paying, even if it's minimum payments.

You want to be in good standing (if you aren't already) before the changing of the guards. They will garnish your wages, and it'll be worse than whatever you were gonna pay. It'll so fuck up your credit. Check the interest and see if you can at least start tackling that if it's not too egregious. Republicans are securely on the side of the loan companies and there a chance they'll let them loose with the right bribe or two, and it make get worse before it gets any better.

[-] JeSuisUnHombre@lemm.ee 1 points 20 hours ago

At one point when I heard that it was the only way to get forgiveness, I moved all my debt from a third party to being a government loan. Does that change anything?

[-] 2ugly2live@lemmy.world 3 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

Unfortunately, no. You can't even get rid of that debt with bankruptcy. I have the same government loans. You can apply for forbearance to at least protect your score a bit if you can't pay.

[-] BombOmOm@lemmy.world 51 points 1 day ago

It continues to gather interest. If you don’t pay it down, you will have a larger loan in the future.

Pay your debt.

[-] BakerBagel@midwest.social 17 points 23 hours ago

I cant afford it either way. Before the pandemic there was more student loan debt in the US than credit card debt. It's the 2008 housing bubble all over again, only this time there aren't even millions of worthless homes to compensate lenders.

[-] StaticFalconar@lemmy.world 5 points 18 hours ago

Did the interest rates change over time for your student loan debts?

[-] NateNate60@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago

Student loans are collected by contracted third-party loan servicing organisations, not the Government.

If you don't pay, the servicer can initiate legal proceedings against you on their own regardless of what's happening within the Education Department.

[-] JeSuisUnHombre@lemm.ee 4 points 21 hours ago

At one point when I heard that it was the only way to get forgiveness, I moved all my debt from a third party to being a government loan. Does that change anything?

[-] Hyperlon@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago

Don't gamble with your future. You should have never stopped paying. Your loan is probably in a worse position now than you were 4 years ago due to interest. The longer you wait the worse your situation will be.

Only assuming they made enough to cover interest. I certainly don't.

[-] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 2 points 17 hours ago

Interest was paused for 3+ years due to covid.

[-] Hyperlon@lemmy.world 2 points 14 hours ago

That ended quite a while ago. Their loan could have grown by thousands since then

[-] lowdude@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 21 hours ago

An interesting essay I read at some point: https://www.bitsaboutmoney.com/archive/the-waste-stream-of-consumer-finance/

Especially the following sentence:

This effectively makes paying consumer debts basically optional in the United States, contingent on one being sufficiently organized and informed.

Now, I don’t know how risky that would be and whether it also applies to student debt, but the system seems to be pretty wild, to say the least.

[-] hedgehogging_the_bed@lemmy.world 7 points 19 hours ago

This would not be effective for student loan debt because it's still non-dischargable, unlike consumer debt.

[-] lowdude@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 hour ago

You are correct, while rereading I also noticed that the essay is specifically talking about consumer debt. And for that it would probably not be helpful to ruin credit scores over a few hundred dollars, if one ever wanted to finance a house or something like that later in their life.

[-] redbr64@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago

I hate that, as someone who was truly on top of this 4 years ago and submitting paperwork for public service forgiveness and all, I have no fucking clue as to what is happening now or what's next. So, as someone who definitely owes money on that, and had a kid right before the pandemic hit, and is desperately adrift keeping shit together, I really hope someone has a great ELI5 coming on this thread lol

[-] The_Che_Banana@beehaw.org 2 points 1 day ago

I would first call them and ask for forgiveness. If you were paying diligently and suddenly stopped they may accept.

[-] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 day ago

does that ever actually happen

[-] EveryMuffinIsNowEncrypted@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yeah, seriously, it's the US Government who lent us money, not Granny Sue from around the corner.

[-] The_Che_Banana@beehaw.org 2 points 12 hours ago

Yes.

Also, honestly, it does not hurt to ask ever. Like....ever.

If you cannot make a mortgage payment one month, for example, call and ask to get that month posted to the end of the the term of the loan.

If you call a CC company because you can't pay that month, they can defer 1 month or will work with you.

Companies do not make money if you cannot pay, and, in the end, if you cannot pay they can write it off. Always, always, always best practice is to be communicative and proactive. They will not work with you if they have to chase you down.

Source: I've been through the fucking wringer a few times.

That's one month, though. You seemed to be saying you could ask to get your entire debt forgiven. That ain't happening.

[-] The_Che_Banana@beehaw.org 1 points 2 hours ago

If you re read what I wrote, I gave several examples of different scenarios.

Scenarios that may or may not apply, scenarios that me-being a complete internet stranger, you may not want to take at full value.

But if anything, please listen to this part: be proactive, communicative, and ask what can be done. That's it.

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