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Despite Microsoft's push to get customers onto Windows 11, growth in the market share of the software giant's latest operating system has stalled, while Windows 10 has made modest gains, according to fresh figures from Statcounter.

This is not the news Microsoft wanted to hear. After half a year of growth, the line for Windows 11 global desktop market share has taken a slight downturn, according to the website usage monitor, going from 35.6 percent in October to 34.9 percent in November. Windows 10, on the other hand, managed to grow its share of that market by just under a percentage point to 61.8 percent.

The dip in usage comes just as Microsoft has been forcing full-screen ads onto the machines of customers running Windows 10 to encourage them to upgrade. The stats also revealed a small drop in the market share of its Edge browser, despite relentlessly plugging the application in the operating system.

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[-] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 337 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

People found out about the Win10 IoT LTSC version, which Microsoft alleges to be supporting for 10 more years.

It comes with basically zero of the M$ bloat that everyone hates, as well. It's just Windows.

I just installed it on my father's new (old) laptop, because he is not ready for Linux yet -- possibly ever.

It has no:

  • Cortana
  • Copilot
  • Windows Media Player
  • OneDrive
  • Office 365 Nag
  • Candy crush, Solitaire collection, etc.
  • Ads and nags on the lock screen
  • "Finish setting up your device and create a Microsoft Account!!!" nag every X number of bootups
  • Xbox Game Bar
  • Microsoft Store
  • Etc.

It does come with Edge.

Because it does not have the Microsoft Store you have to manually install anything that comes as a store app from the command line. I was taken by surprise that the Duckduckgo browser is packaged this way. But you can still do it. Normal programs install just fine.

Yes, you can use it for gaming.

Edit: I guess I forgot to drop the obligatory link to https://massgrave.dev/ , which is how I found out about this and got it running. Also hosted there is a tool that allows you to... license... various Microsoft products including your shiny new Win10 IoT install.

[-] Raglesnarf@lemmy.world 74 points 2 weeks ago

holy fuck that sounds absolutely awesome. why wasn't I on this version to begin with hahah

[-] Codilingus@sh.itjust.works 36 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Just adding that 11 IoT Enterprise LTSC is also super solid and great for gaming, ~~no bullshit installed, just Edge + Defender~~. I disable Edge- instead of uninstalling- with a tool that just breaks it, since Edge always gets installed again eventually.

I got it from that same site, been problem free for months now. I only went with 11since my 5800X3D is still fairly new.

Edit: Fine, no bullshit other than Edge + Defender.

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No Candy Crush? Non-starter.

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[-] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 137 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

DO NOT PAY FOR WINDOWS 10 UPDATES.

They're pushing this plan to make people pay to continue to get support for 10 very hard.

Don't fucking do it. Make them eat this loss of a shitty invasive OS that nobody asked for. This trend is evidence that we're in control in this situation, not Microsoft.

Force their hand and make it so they have no choice but to keep supporting Windows 10 for free for five more years.

Look, I'm a Linux user primarily, but that doesn't mean you should just let these corporate fuckholes walk all over you. Windows 10 is ride or die. Make Microsoft pay for trying to fuck you out of a cleaner operating system that is less infested with spyware and actually works half the time.

Not everybody has the time or energy to figure out Linux, but either way, the best way to fight Microsoft is by hitting them square in the pocketbook.

[-] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 60 points 2 weeks ago

Linux is mostly pretty easy to install/use at this point as long as you stick with a main distro like Mint

[-] NutWrench@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago

This. And if folks are worried that their computer's hardware won't be supported (wifi, touchscreen, mousepad, soundcard or a weird mobile graphics driver) I recommend testing it by booting from a live linux flash drive. If everything works with the live version, it should work with the installed version, too.

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[-] andyburke@fedia.io 109 points 2 weeks ago

I'll uh ... be over here continuing to use an OS that doesn't show me a full-screen ad.

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[-] zephorah@lemm.ee 78 points 2 weeks ago

Our old asses are over here learning mint and Ubuntu on new machines. That wasn’t on our 30s-40s disco card.

It’s fun. Everything looks good, then attach the external monitor to the laptop and it won’t detect. There’s a workaround, there’s almost always a workaround, but these basics of windows are in pieces in Linux.

The basic expectations with windows, like monitor detection, aren’t necessarily there.

Spite is a hell of a fuel though. Oh and I still have my win 10 disc and put a fresh install on another machine.

[-] Killer57@lemmy.ca 31 points 2 weeks ago

The Steam Deck and it's desktop mode are why I decided to try jumping head first into a single boot of Bazzite on my main computer, it's basically like using a Steam deck, just across four monitors, a year in and I haven't looked back.

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[-] InFerNo@lemmy.ml 19 points 2 weeks ago

I plugged in a monitor yesterday on my work laptop 's HDMI port and it did nothing. After some troubleshooting I apparently had to unplug the USB-C dock for it to work. Let's not pretend Windows is smooth sailing all the time.

At a meeting I was given some kind of remote dongle to duplicate my screen to a monitor and it did nothing. Had to run some exe first. Again, not plug and play.

But there was always a workaround.

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[-] Zink@programming.dev 13 points 2 weeks ago

On my work machine, just a Dell laptop with a dock and some monitors, Mint Cinnamon actually gave me a better out-of-box than win10.

I didn’t try Mint until 21 (the version before current) and it’s just so smooth now.

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[-] LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world 74 points 2 weeks ago

I work at an MSP and a lot of our clients have to follow specific security compliance standards. Because Windows 10 is eol soon, we've been slowly upgrading folks to 11. I die a little each time I do an upgrade. People, including my coworkers and I, are not happy with it overall, but nobody can do anything because ✨compliance standards✨

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[-] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 70 points 2 weeks ago

An ad blitz doesn't matter if your product is junk. Make something that isn't garbage if you want to retain people, people want good products.

[-] NateNate60@lemmy.world 35 points 2 weeks ago

Microsoft has realised they have a captive market and are milking it for every dollar (euro, pound, yen, rupee...) they can get.

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[-] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago

Me: Hmmmmmm, maybe it's time for a new PC. Lets see what's out there.

Stores: Windows 10 and 11

Me: Nevermind!

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[-] demizerone@lemmy.world 65 points 2 weeks ago

Windows 11 is a privacy invasion. It's the worst OS I have ever used for a day and a half.

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[-] Sabata11792@ani.social 47 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

"But people love getting spammed with advertisements..." -Shareholders

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 40 points 2 weeks ago

What... How is that even possible? Are new machines being sold with 10 instead of 11?

[-] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 47 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

My guess is either people are downgrading, or enough people are dropping Windows entirely after previously using Windows 11 (whether by switching to Mac or Linux, or by deciding that they don't need laptops at all and can get by with just an iPad or something) to affect the percentages.

Edit: oh, also Chromebooks. I bet it's a lot of people switching to ChromeOS.

[-] kippinitreal@lemmy.world 28 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I'd love if it were Linux but its probably macs, mostly due to their superior battery life (compared to Windows).

Anecdotally my parents bit the bullet switched to Macs after using Windows 11 and all its unnecessary changes from 10. It was death by a thoudand cuts for them, where simple processes like search and printers are radically different than before. If they gotta learn a new system, might as well learn something that works.

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[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 35 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

im forced to use it at work and holy shit. 11 is so heavy for no reason, 8gb of ram is not remotely enough anymore.

the ssd smart says its almost at its end, and i suspect its because its constantly swapping.

[-] Zetta@mander.xyz 18 points 2 weeks ago

I'm pegged at 95% RAM usage all day at work 16 gigs and I'm not doing anything too heavy. Windows is a bloated gross mess

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[-] zingo@sh.itjust.works 33 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

The market share for Win 11 has dropped because people are "downgrading" to Win 10, holding on to that for another year before support runs out.

The Windows computers in our house never upgraded to Win 11.

No surprise there.

Some people are also jumping ship to Linux, fed up of Windows BS all together.

[-] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago

I am skeptical of this because the majority of people do not know how to install an OS.

I think its people not using Windows at all. Colloquially, I know young people that basically only know how to use mobile interfaces and tablets.

[-] TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.world 30 points 2 weeks ago

Not going to change unless Microsoft does a complete 180 on how they're handling Win11 which I don't think they will do because it's just not in their corporate strategy at the moment. I imagine most people are just going to keep using Win10 after the support period ends.

Microsoft seriously needs an upper management shakeup. They have been dropping the ball badly in numerous areas and have their heads lodged too far up their own asses to see it.

[-] orclev@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago

That was my plan until MS installed copilot on my system without asking. A month later I installed Linux and haven't looked back. I did dual boot just in case I needed it, but I actually haven't had to boot into windows for the last 4 months. It's gone so well I'm currently planning to do the same to my wife's computer in a few months when I give it its hardware refresh.

[-] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 2 weeks ago

Who thought that puting ridiculous minimum requirements so your spyware can work better would mean that lots of people without newer hardware just won't upgrade.

[-] jpablo68@infosec.pub 22 points 2 weeks ago

The main problem is that Win11 can only run in special hardware and Microsoft can pry out my potato computer from my cold, dead hands. I won't change my hardware to update my OS.

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[-] hsakaa@lemm.ee 19 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I am 21 and have been a windows user since I was 6. Windows 10 was the last windows OS I ever used and after that used linux for a while and eventually switched to Mac, and I am glad I did. Windows 11 has a bunch of visual upgrades which just ruin the experience and makes it difficult to navigate around. Also the fact that I need to purchase a new laptop to be able to use it when my old one is perfectly fine.

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[-] lipilee@feddit.nl 19 points 2 weeks ago

well the market share of Windows 11 has risen significantly on my work laptop, and I can wholehearedly say, I understand why its global market share is falling...... random freezes, random restarts, battery life sliced, random starting up from suspend. it's not great.

meanwhile, Manjaro on my personal Lenovo laptop has been cutting edge with consistent updates for years.

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[-] MudMan@fedia.io 19 points 2 weeks ago

Look, I don't trust Statista numbers at all.

People are free to disagree on that one, Statista most of all. But what I think is undeniable is that these sub-percentage point changes are entirely within their margin of error (same goes for Steam, incidentally). You can look at trends over time, -and I think it's pretty undeniable Win11 has struggled to onboard the Win10 userbase-, but I wouldn't overreact to these short term updates.

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[-] vga@sopuli.xyz 17 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

When games work so well on Linux these days, it seems to me that there is absolutely no reason for Windows to exist anymore. Why does anyone use it?

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[-] penquin@lemm.ee 16 points 2 weeks ago

The fact that any company is able to show you ads after you PAID for their shit is bonkers to me. Don't get me started on repair and being able to unlock the bootloader on your device. No wonder education is very expensive and extremely hard to attain. They love the uneducated, so they can fuck them hard like that. Fuck all of them.

[-] Lemminary@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago

It's simple: Ain't nobody got time for your bullshit, Microsoft.

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[-] davidagain@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago

Microsoft, this is like windows vista all over again. Make it less shitty, get rid of all the crap you're pushing and make it faster. Call it windows 12 and if it's good we'll buy it. Worked for XP, worked for 10. How do you still not get this?

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[-] droporain@lemmynsfw.com 13 points 2 weeks ago

Lol was windows 11 was a scam to make companies pay for future security updates this whole time?

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[-] argarath@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago

I literally left windows because of the incessant ads for 11. The last straw was them forcing copilot on my windows 10 install, but a lot of other things were bugging me way too much before I kicked the bucket. Thankfully I have the help of a friend that uses Linux daily and my boyfriend who just knows a fuckton about computers, but after finishing the initial setup I haven't really had any issues

[-] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 13 points 2 weeks ago

I'm now recommending family members and relatives to switch to Macs if they're not willing to install Linux on their PC.

I'm trying really hard to educate them about how intrusive Windows 11 is. But in the end, it's like Facebook or whatever. They just don't care about their online privacy and how their personal information is handled. Sometimes I don't even know why I try.

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