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[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago
[-] lnxtx@feddit.nl 1 points 3 weeks ago

If only there was an alternative.
What if we replace vulcanized rubber with a metal ring 🤔

Maybe it could also run on some kind of metal street, to further reduce friction? 🤔

[-] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

we could probably manage traffic much easier if switching was controlled vs. random drivers...

[-] ValiantDust@feddit.org 1 points 3 weeks ago

While we're at it, maybe we could install some powerlines to provide the vehicles with electricity. That way they could run on renewable energy.

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[-] Blaster_M@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago

Lots of things contribute to this. Vehicle weight (extra stress on the tires), wheel alignment (toe-in/out causes scrubbing which causes more wear), unmaintained suspensions (worn out shocks, struts and bushings causing the above), burnouts (obviously, but, even in winter being the guy doing a burnout on summer tires while trying to get up an icy hill or across the intersection still counts), tire compound, road design, and driving style. If we had more cargo trains doing logi instead of long haul trucks we could probably cut down on a lot of pollution both in exhaust particles and tire particles.

[-] Noedel@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

Yet another problem not solved by EVs

[-] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

But the manufacturer and my government said they were eco-friendly, what do you means my 6000 pounds of steel and plastic isn't good for the planet?

[-] Tinidril@midwest.social 1 points 3 weeks ago

It's actually made a little worse by EVs because of battery weight.

[-] AliasAKA@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago

If only there was a highly efficient mode of transporting people that didn’t use tires. Ah well, nothing can be done I guess.

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[-] Infomatics90@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 weeks ago

would this apply to bycicle tyres as well? also, why is it spelled that way?

[-] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Yes, though note that tire and road wear scale with the 4th power of the vehicle weight. If a person on a bicycle weighs 200 pounds and a person driving a car weighs 2000 pounds then the car is going to have roughly 10,000 times as much tire wear (and microplastic shedding) as the bike.

Now consider that people on bikes can even weigh less than 200 pounds and cars can weigh far more than 2000 pounds (I heard of a recent electric SUV that weighs 8000 pounds) and it becomes clear that bicycles are a complete non-issue, relative to cars. An 8000 pound car is equivalent to 6.25 million 160 pound bicycle + rider pairings.

Now consider the effects of 18-wheeler tractor tailors with a maximum weight upwards of 80,000 pounds. These things absolutely disintegrate their tires. If you’ve done any highway driving you’ve likely seen the shredded debris of tires on the shoulder of the road.

Edit: as an addendum I’d like to note that electric vehicles tend to weigh a lot more than ICE cars, by upwards of 1000 pounds. This is one of the reasons I’m dismayed at the rush to EVs: it’s going to accelerate the microplastic problem even as it reduces CO2.

[-] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago

What if we wrapped the tyres in bags to contain all the dust?

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[-] Lun0tic@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago

Tires also used to last longer. They are designed to wear out faster now.

[-] icedterminal@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

This is so far from the truth.

The real reason is cars are heavier. The more weight, the more wear on the tires. You can only make a tire compound so hard before they become uncomfortable rolling chunks.

In the 70s when the fuel crisis hit, cars were very inefficient. Heavy steel and heavy engines that guzzled field. As the technology has progressed we use composite materials to make them lighter where we can. Some of these materials are more expensive than others, so you won't find them on all models. Magnesium and Carbon fiber for example. We started to make cars lighter.

Then there's features, creature comforts, etc. We started adding more and more fancy features over time. These all add up. Heavy sound deadening pads are placed all over the bare chassis. Rip up your car's carpet, underneath you'll find them. They're in the door and behind the dashboard. There's even foam in the A, B and C pillars. We figured out that we can make cars quieter. Now that we can make them quieter, let's add a lot of creature comforts. Power, heated seats and mirrors. Power windows, powered lift gates, and anything else that's powered. These require electric motors. Not sure if you've ever seen these electric motors, but these are actually quite heavy little things. A few speakers is now almost a dozen in many models. Lots of trim pieces that make the car more aesthetically pleasing add weight.

Safety is a huge factor as well. One or two airbags has turned into about a dozen. Extra beams that are used to dissipate energy around you in a crash. My car has 8 alone for just the front driver and passenger.

Got a hybrid or an EV? These absolutely demolish tires because the additional components adds a lot of weight.

Even though we got better at making composite materials and reducing weight where we could, our need for creature comforts and advancement in technology has caused the overall trend for a car's weight to go up. This information is readily available if you'd like to search the Internet.

A set of tires wear endurance has only gone up over time. But because of a car's weight, it reduces its ability. Your driving habits also greatly impact how long your tires will last. Do you have a Rivian or Tesla? Go easy on the acceleration and showing off with the spirited driving. You can make your tires last less than 10,000 mi. Do you add additional weight? How long is that additional weight being hauled around? In other words, if your trunk is full of stuff, clean it out. You're increasing fuel consumption and increasing tire wear.

[-] Maetani@jlai.lu 0 points 3 weeks ago

While there's no doubt tires are bad for the environment, a quarter of all microplastics seems a lot, especially since plastic is everywhere. Gladly there's a source for that claim, a link to tireindustryproject's FAQ... Claiming that this number is a gross overestimation. What the fuck is this article? Is it supposed to be satire or something?

[-] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

Bear in mind that the denominator is plastic pollution. Most plastic waste does not directly pollute the environment. If it is not recycled then it goes to landfills or incineration. Not ideal, but at least the damage is contained. (The bulk of ocean plastic comes from the rivers of poor countries without proper waste management.)

The issue with tyre microplastics is that it's all but impossible to channel the waste. It's the same with synthetic fabric: just washing it creates pollution that's really hard to control.

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