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[-] wolf6152@lemm.ee 41 points 2 years ago

Oh look at that. End of the fiscal year and time to remind everyone that the only thing propping up our economy is the military-industrial-congressional complex.

[-] trashxeos@lemmygrad.ml 27 points 2 years ago

You forgot modern prison slavery too.

[-] LarkinDePark@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

And the growing child slavery "problem".

[-] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 18 points 2 years ago

It's a problem in the sense that the children aren't in the mines. /s

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 2 years ago

Porky looking at school: "So much labour wasted sigh"

[-] culpritus@hexbear.net 34 points 2 years ago

The capitalist will sell themselves their own undoing, but the profit margins will be amazing.

[-] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 31 points 2 years ago

I highly doubt this. This is just an excuse to demand more funding for arms manufacturers.

[-] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 35 points 2 years ago

The fact that making a profit is the main objective of arms manufactures is precisely why US military is ill equipped for high intensity combat. US arms manufacturers have incentive to produce expensive weapons that take a long time to manufacture and repair because that results in more funds being allocated to them. They also have an incentive to produce weapons in small volumes because the less they actually produce the lower their costs are.

Meanwhile, high intensity combat the kind of which we're seeing in Ukraine requires cheap weapons that are simple and reliable, and the ability to produce these weapons rapidly. This is basically the opposite of what US military industrial complex focuses on.

[-] PolPotPie@hexbear.net 25 points 2 years ago

didn't the wehrmacht suffer from overly-engineered equipment that required maintenance and expertise to keep running?

[-] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 2 years ago

They sure did, and then these same people went to US to design their weapons.

[-] lorty@lemmygrad.ml 23 points 2 years ago

Their "indestructible" Tiger tank was famous for breaking the transmission all the time and being a pain to repair.

Soviet tanks were easy to fix.

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 10 points 2 years ago

USA itself also had that lesson once in the WW2, notice how (for famous example) submachine guns in the USA came from the original chicago piano to much simpler M1 and even that was too complicated so M3 was made. And even for the things that get more complicated like ships or planes, design and especially production was streamlined greatly, like building the 2700 liberty class vessels of which single ship took a month to build or 175 fletcher class destroyers. And note neither of those examples were really crap all served for decades after war.

USA weapon industry now is like gutter corner of Ferdinand Porsche brain, but greedier.

[-] Shrike502@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 2 years ago

Arguably, it is more difficult to design and make a weapon system that would be cheap and reliable, as opposed to gimmick gizmo that costs like an apartment in Moscow and does a subpar job trying to replace some already existing system

[-] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 2 years ago

For sure, making stuff that works well cheaply is a lot harder.

[-] relay@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 2 years ago

In Starcraft 1 terms:

Ukraine is playing protoss but for some reason is only using very few scouts for air combat

Russia is playing terran more or less in a balanced attack force but is using siege tanks alot because they know they'll be able to outrange them in ground combat.

to make matters more interesting, the terran Russia already built an army and has all of the resoureces they need before the war started. The protoss Ukrainians don't have enough resources and the way that they build units are expensive as it is.

[-] wombat@hexbear.net 7 points 2 years ago

Dynasty Warriors but it's the Eastern Front and you play as Stalin

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago

Dynasty Warriors

Sovnarkom Warriors

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

This post gave me additional pylons.

[-] AntiOutsideAktion@hexbear.net 11 points 2 years ago

"You go to war with the army you've got." I believe it.

[-] olgas_husband@lemmygrad.ml 26 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

iirc there is a black panther pamphlet talking about ar15 and ak47, they point out that ar15 is excellent on paper and sell well, it is lighter, more rate of fire, and smaller caliber than the ak, but in practice doesn't work, the gun light weight and rate of fire makes it hard to control, and they couldn't stand the elements ans malfunctioned constantly while ak worked in the russian tundra to caribbean heat

[-] RedClouds@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 2 years ago

I've always heard that AKs were basically the most reliable gun ever made in its class, but is the black panther AR-15 description out of date now? I've heard that after many iterations it's on par. I mean, it took them decades to reach parity if so, but regardeless, are they roughly equal now? Or is there major differences in quality or durability now?

[-] olgas_husband@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

idk, the pamphlet said that us soldiers would often carry aks from vietnamese soldiers they killed because m16 sucked ass, so probably wrote in the 60's.

as of today idk, ak did change a lot to and i don't see much "scientific" testing, most guntubers are american so they stand for their rifle, and since russia turned capitalist the profit motive is in the equation too.

so yeah, no ideia how is the best considering all factors

[-] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 5 points 2 years ago

DOD cheaped out on ammo or some shit, the m16 could have done better for the imperialists at the time without changing the gun, but they fucked up.

today the ar-15 derivatives are probably better for most purposes because they take optics better and polymer is good and light, which you want because you're carrying your gun way more often than you're shooting it. If you're a nation-state fielding an army there might be supply chain considerations that would put you on AK derivatives instead.

for civilians you probably don't need a gun, and if you do need a gun you either need ten friends with guns too and matching your friends for spare parts and sharing ammo matters more than the platform, or you're hunting and you aren't terribly likely to want an ar-15 or ak at all.

bombs are probably better than guns but leftist violence would just be used as an excuse to crack down on everything so, you know, probably don't do any of that.

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 years ago

Newer versions of AK are still good. I seen video of AK104 test where it shoot something like 1000 bullets non stop, get so hot that the polymer front grip literally burned and it still worked.

[-] DefinitelyNotAPhone@hexbear.net 9 points 2 years ago

The description is going to be out of date. The AR rifles were designed with bleeding edge materials, which bit it in the ass initially because the materials didn't match up to the intended specs. Things have gotten a lot better since then and ARs are just as reliable and usable as AKs.

[-] olgas_husband@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 2 years ago

tl;dr weapons made to sell instead of working will be their undoing

[-] davel@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 2 years ago
[-] WIIHAPPYFEW@hexbear.net 14 points 2 years ago

Half the military budget is from feds getting their kidneys grifted out of them by contractors (remember those 50k dollar trashbins?)

[-] FALGSConaut@hexbear.net 13 points 2 years ago

I fucking hate the term "warfighter". Fucking cult behavior, the Marines are the worst military branch for that.

[-] GrumpigPoopBalls@hexbear.net 13 points 2 years ago

it's better for recruiting than "civiliankiller"

[-] money_loo@1337lemmy.com 10 points 2 years ago

Sheesh, it’s like a guy can’t even lose one stealth jet anymore.

[-] Shrike502@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 2 years ago
[-] Mzuark@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 2 years ago
[-] usernamesaredifficul@hexbear.net 9 points 2 years ago

and I love that for them

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