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I like the quotes she put up on the screen about Canonical and System76.
I've kept coming back to Ubuntu over the years, but ultimately, they are a corporation, and they need to satisfy their shareholders. Someday they will likely be bought out, then who knows?
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As we all did with winxp, hangout and even facebook, and yeah a whole slew of stuff that did seem nice at one moment.
The next moment it wasn't there any more in the way we liked it!
FOSS on the other hand is here to stay.
I've never seen her before, but it was a solid and relatable video. Does anyone have any others that they'd particularly recommend?
The misconception of Debian as an "outdated" distro is... alarming. IDK but I am running Debian 12 (coming from latest Fedora) and I don't feel any sign of early deprecation or that an already "old distro". It's smooth, stable and usable, like things should be if you use your computer to do other stuff and you rely on your installed software to be there for you when you need it.
People tends to freak out if the latest packages aren't installed. Stop it, please, security patches are more important than having the latest Gnome/KDE version. Perhaps if we stop selling that idea in Youtube videos, newcomers to this space will not be rushing to install the latest things without knowing if they are worth and really good distros like Debian, which is NOT a corporate backed Linux Distribution, will get more traction.
(PS: in Fedora, you are a guinea pig for future RHEL updates and ultimately, more profits for IBM)
Not to mention RH is ultimatly in charge of Fedora, so it isn't a community distro. Look at the codec issue that came up this year the lawyers at RH told them to remove it so they did. If it was a community distro why would the lawyers care?
For most users pretty GUIs are far more important than the latest security updates. (And even if they weren't, Fedora offers both.)
I mean sure it's not outdated now. But it's only been released a month ago. What are you gonna say a year from now?
I've used debian stable for a decade now. The things I care about are not dependent on new features, so I'm not in a hurry to upgrade to newer versions. I'm happy with security updates and a system that is reliable above all.
I'm excited to see what the outcome of SUSE forking RHEL will be.
- Will IBM backtrack?
- Will the SUSE RHEL fork stay separate from SLES?
- Will SLES move directly upstream or downstream from the RHEL fork?
- Will this inspire other big wigs (Microsoft?) to start work on their own RHEL equivalent distributions?
Really hoping that the enshitification of these various things, further enshitification in the case of Twitter, brings about a really fun “find out” period.
Sadly I think it will get worse in the case of RHEL. I can see IBM locking down access to many of their products to AIX, RHEL, and in many instances Windows. Currently, GPFS, something I work with a lot, supports Debian and Ubuntu (I think). It would not surprise me to see that go away.
First Linux servers I installed were RedHat 4.2. I stick with RH until 8.0. Then they stabbed us all in the back, starting to charge for it.
Have you RH users been fooled twice?
I switched to the then (and still?) distro that was most strict in commitment to FOSS - heck, they forked FireFox just because of the logo copyrights - Debian.
(RH to kubunto at home, because Debian then was (is?) too "enterprise" for home, and I wanted to stick to the same packaging)
The only other distro I've been using is SUSE (SLES), because that's what SAP suports for HANA database servers.
SUSE should gradually morph the RH fork into becoming SLES, and always provide an easy automated way to migrate, a one way only route to leave RH.
Today's episode of Veronica Explains is brought to you in part by corporate greed.
Less than 5 seconds in and I already know I'm going to like this video.
I was thinking I was going to wait until Fedora 40 was closer to launch before I migrated all my personal VM's over to Debian but I ended up doing it today to cut myself loose entirely of IBM's shenanigans. It's a shame about IBM leadership, but being in corporate leadership myself I'm certainly not surprised by any of their recent behavior. Where you have any large incentives (power, money, fame), you will see the uglier side of human nature.
Just spun up a Debian 12 server, and it's a chef's kiss.
Thanks for this! I have a new channel to go subscribe to and catch up on now
Veronica has a channel on the TILVids Peertube instance, if prefer that over Youtube. This particular video is at https://tilvids.com/w/u2pBk5Vdg85FWhTmXZQaUA
weird, I was just about to post this but I have a different URL: https://tilvids.com/w/e2f22d06-fb76-4e90-8de7-26069a2d241e
Excellent summary and conclusions.
If the Fedora group starts doing dumb stuff I'll consider switching. But so far they've been rock solid. While Red Hat is certainly a major contributor to Fedora (the biggest easily) they don't control it per-say.
Can someone rational explain the concern here?
Red Hat turning evil, Fedora (controlled by Red Hat) implementing telemetry.
I am disappointed in the direction RH has moved in, but what makes it evil? I am certain that a good portion of their work will make its way into open source projects. So it seems to me that it is a good thing that we all hope would be better. And I thought you had to opt into the Fedora telemetry. Is that not the case? If they are using it for design improvements it's all to the good. If Fedora is selling the information and they force or trick users into it, then yes, Fedora will deserve its inevitable demise.
I am certain that a good portion of their work will make its way into open source projects.
100% should make its way, that's open source. Now projects need to be scared when looking at Red Hat code because they might get sued for it.
RedHat is not going closed source. All the code is still open source. Nobody is getting sued for looking at it.
Read Red Hat's new license terms and then try again, kid.
I’ve seen them. I understand them. I’m correct.
Not making their sources generally available for download is NOT the same as closed source. The only ones subject to their new licensing agreements are their paying customers. They are very much pushing against the spirit of FOSS licenses but there is no potential for some Joe on the street to get sued for looking at their source code.
First they came for...
Nah, nevermind. You'll understand soon.
You think you are talking to a very different person than you actually are.
Not making their sources generally available for download is NOT the same as closed source. The only ones subject to their new licensing agreements are their paying customers. They are very much pushing against the spirit of FOSS licenses but there is no potential for some Joe on the street to get sued for looking at their source code.
but there is no potential for some Joe on the street to get sued for looking at their source code.
But how would that Joe look at the source code if it not publicly available and he's not a paying customer?
Checkmate.
If Joe hasn’t been provided the binaries from RedHat they’re under no obligation to provide the sources.
And the true sources can easily be obtained from the upstream, same place every other bistro provider get’s them.
Yah I don't get it. I don't think people realize how much of the stuff they run is developed by Red Hat. I think people still think its coders in their free time contributing but alot of the kernel and other big projects are done by people who are paid.
I don't want to spoil the video if no one has seen it, but all i got to say is one word: Malevolent.
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