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Looks like the paths of the West and Zelensky are increasingly diverging, and nobody wants to give him money anymore.

Zelensky may persuade Congress to ante up more money for the war. But this could also be his last hurrah. He may get a slimmed down package and sent away. It is unlikely he will return.

A real breakthrough did not happen, and Ukraine chewed up most of its strategic reserves. Two important brigades, the 25th Air Mobile and the 82nd Air Assault, lost so many men and so much equipment on the Zaphorize front, much of it supplied by NATO, that they became combat-ineffective and were withdrawn.

Reports say that Ukraine is losing more than 1,000 men a day – sometimes close to 2,000 – with little to show for it.

The US and some of its NATO partners let it be known they didn’t approve of Ukraine’s military tactics, although for the most part the tactics were built around NATO computer simulations and massive intelligence support.

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[-] 201dberg@lemmygrad.ml 38 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The fascists in control of the Ukrainian military will kill him before he is allowed to negotiate with Russia.

[-] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 27 points 1 year ago

That's what I think as well. He's painted himself into a corner at this point, and he doesn't have a way out anymore.

[-] ksynwa@lemmygrad.ml 36 points 1 year ago

I wonder who filled Zelenskyy's head with the idea that he should demand nothing less than the most unrealistic outcome where Russia gives back all the conquered territory.

[-] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 30 points 1 year ago

If I recall correctly, a similar dynamic played out with the regime US was propping up in south Vietnam. When US decided they wanted the war to end, they found that the regime would have none of it, and eventually the CIA had to do a coup to put a compliant regime in power.

[-] ksynwa@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 1 year ago
[-] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 1 year ago

something, something, history repeats as a farce :)

[-] proletarian_girlboss@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 1 year ago

I was just about to comment this. It is very similar. Ukraine is very economically and militarily dependent on the NATO imperialists, so it would be very easy to orchestrate regime change.

[-] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 1 year ago

This might actually be one of the reasons they got rid of Reznikov recently, this removes a layer between NATO and Ukrainian military. Reznikov has military background, but the new clown they replaced him with doesn't. Now NATO has direct access to Ukrainian military.

[-] LoveSausage@lemmygrad.ml 26 points 1 year ago

In February 22 there was peacetalks with very reasonable Russian demands. Boris was sent by NATO/US to put a stop to it. I wonder what the deal was that was made. Also where is Boris now ? Haven't heard a thing from him in international news

[-] Shrike502@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Also where is Boris now

Didn't he retire to somewhere in Italy?

[-] Valbrandur@lemmygrad.ml 35 points 1 year ago

"Hey Ukraine hows it goin?"

Reports say that Ukraine is losing more than 1,000 men a day – sometimes close to 2,000

"...Yea"

[-] Shrike502@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 1 year ago

Unfortunately they're not losing the actual Nazis and/or the war profiteers

[-] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 31 points 1 year ago

The nation of war profiteers doesn't want the war profiteering to end. Out of Afghanistan and into Ukraine.

The line must keep going up. stonks-up

[-] AmarkuntheGatherer@lemmygrad.ml 26 points 1 year ago

I'm not buying it. There's no part of the Ukrainian side they didn't prop up, from government all the way down to the nazi brigades, and none of them exist without usian support. The US has the power and the leverage to end the war the hour it decides to.

[-] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The challenge for US is in pulling out without it looking like a debacle. This is especially a big issue for the dems since the election cycle is heating up, and riding on a humiliating military defeat by Russia is a disaster for them.

It looks like their hare brained scheme is try and freeze the conflict and play that up as Russia failing to achieve their goals. The obvious problem with this plan is that Russia has no incentive to play along.

[-] Addfwyn@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 1 year ago

The challenge for US is in pulling out without it looking like a debacle

Exactly. That is why the increasing buildup in the media of throwing Ukraine under the bus, everything from Nordstream to their "unapproved" tactics.

They need to be able to at least try to say that they gave Ukraine all the right tools and money, they just didn't use them correctly. That way the US can say they did everything right and it was all Ukraine's fault. Next time (Taiwan) it will totally be different!

[-] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Completely agree, the media is starting to shape the narrative that will ultimately justify throwing Ukraine under the bus. We're seeing lots of stories how Ukraine isn't following western advice, not using "proper" NATO tactics, we're starting to see stories about corruption all of a sudden. The media even ran the story how it was Ukrainian missile that hit the market as Zelensky arrived in US. It's pretty clear that the narrative is shifting.

The big question is whether people in Taiwan learned anything from Ukrainian experience. We'll see when the elections happen I guess.

[-] zephyreks@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

Ok but seriously, in what world does it make sense to actually invade Taiwan? Even as a vanity project, the number of men it would lose would destabilize any government.

[-] freagle@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 1 year ago
[-] LoveSausage@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 1 year ago

Things move fast, wasn't this evil Putin Russian bot terrible tankie talk a few weeks ago?

[-] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 1 year ago

Biden confirmed as a Manchurian candidate.

[-] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 1 year ago

Didn't you make a prediction that if Zelenskyy were to sue for peace, the nazis that prop him up would just shoot him?

I think that would explain why he's currently biting the hand that feeds him.

[-] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 year ago

Yeah, I think that's very likely scenario.

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