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[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 33 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Misner said it was a difficult decision to vote for Trump. He said the point of the Abandon Harris campaign was to punish the Democrats for supporting Israel during its war in Gaza, which the campaigners view as a genocide, and he hopes the Trump campaign will be more willing to negotiate with group leaders.

Vindication feels awful here, honestly.

“I think the biggest problem is that your messaging to Arab Americans can’t just be ‘Trump’s a fascist, Trump is Hitler. Big, scary orange man, vote for me.’ Part of being a part of the American political system is being able to separate yourself from your opponent and lay out a better vision. And she did not do that,” Abdelrahman said.

  1. Negative messaging works, as much as people like to pretend it doesn't.

  2. If you saw a literal fascist openly declaring fascist things, and your response to the milquetoast opposition is "Well, you're not seperated enough, stylistically", you're not much more than a fascist enabler.

  3. In what fucking way is "Not fascism" not a better vision than "Literal fucking fascism"?

“She could have at least called for a ceasefire,” Khan said. (Harris repeatedly called for a ceasefire during her campaign, including during her Democratic convention speech.)

Ah, it's just like being on Lemmy!

“Even in politics, humanity should be the first and the foremost thing to to be respected, to be valued, right? And [the] Democratic Party clearly, clearly, for an entire year showed us they do not care about human life,” Khan said. “They do not care about their constituents, how they feel about the massacre.”

Ah, yes, humanity is the first and foremost thing to be respected, which is why LGBT Americans have been served to fascists on a silver platter as a protest vote. Peak humanity.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

which is why LGBT Americans have been served to fascists on a silver platter as a protest vote.

If you are queer and have any way out, get out. If you can't get out, scrub your internet history as clean as you possibly can because they will hunt you down.

God I hate it but there's going to have to be a new underground railroad for pregnant women and queer and brown people...

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[-] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 weeks ago

“He at least, at least came and spoke to the Muslims. He heard them and said, ‘OK, I will finish. I will end the war in Middle East,’ even if he didn’t say, you know, a genocide, but he said he will bring peace,” she said. “And that’s what the people wanted to hear, and that’s why he got the votes.”

He's going to "end it" by rushing it to its conclusion you morons! Holy fuck! 🤦‍♂️

[-] Notyou@sopuli.xyz 10 points 2 weeks ago

It kind of proves the point that the DNC should have listened to them instead of plugging their ears and walking past them.

Harris didn't even have to have any plans, but listening was too hard for them. Will they learn from it or blame others? Let's find out.

[-] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 weeks ago

It rather proves how flawed the concept of democracy is. People can't be expected to make rational decisions. This is why candidates fill their campaigns with lies and cheap rhetoric. Because morons will believe it. Sure we'll all complain later about how "politicians always lie" but the people wanted that anyway.

[-] FlowVoid@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Trump didn't listen to them, and he won their vote. So if anything, this proves they wanted someone more like Trump.

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago

And find themselves without fault?

[-] metaldream@sopuli.xyz 19 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Maybe Harris and the Democrats should've spent less time chasing Republicans and fascists for votes.

I voted for her btw. But is incredible how Dem voters repeatedly allow their leadership to be so weak and outt of touch.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

And maybe people who repeatedly told others "don't vote for Harris" should claim some culpability for people not voting for Harris...

But it's amazing that every time I suggest that, someone has to talk about the faults of the Harris campaign as if you can't blame more than one party. It's whataboutism.

If you [general you] tell people not to vote for Harris and they don't vote for Harris and then Trump wins, you have some culpability.

[-] metaldream@sopuli.xyz 9 points 2 weeks ago

Those people weren't running for president. They may be culpable but it's no where near the same level as the actual party leadership.

Dems conveniently blame everyone but their own leadership every time they lose an election and therefore never learn anything from it.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Cool. I'm not a Democrat and this isn't about the Democrats. This is about the people who wanted others to not vote for Harris. Stop trying to change the subject.

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[-] verdantbanana@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

not the voters' job to make themselves buyable

that is all on the candidates

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

We are not talking about the voters or the candidates here. We are talking about the people telling voters not to vote for someone and then pretending they had no culpability whatsoever when that person loses. Thank you for proving my point.

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[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Yes let us hold blameless those who didn't give enough of a shit to piss on America when it was on fire. Your true colors show here.

[-] verdantbanana@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

at the end of the day Democrats had their check writers to think about which is why they intentionally lost

Harris consistently had wins handed to her on gold platters and Harris repeatedly stuck her nose up at the platters

Democrats are not the party of the people or progressives but just Republicans with different coat colors on getting checks from the same places

[-] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 weeks ago

You have two choices for ship's captain.

One wants to paint the interior a color you hate. Like, it's the worst color you've ever seen. And she won't even listen to you about changing it.

The other wants to run the ship into an iceberg.

Hope you brought a life jacket.

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[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

BOOoooOoOoTh SiIIiiiIidEs!!!1

[-] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 weeks ago

Elabed decided not to vote at the top of the ticket this year and focused instead on downballot races.

Elabed said she feels crushed by the reality of four years of the Trump administration’s policies toward Israel

😑

[-] recreationalcatheter@lemm.ee 2 points 1 week ago

You saved Palestine 🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳

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[-] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 2 points 2 weeks ago

This is America. I’m dumbfounded by the decision making skills we have, collectively.

[-] verdantbanana@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Pollution, lack of education funding, lots of police, lots of jobs with below living wages, no healthcare

All adds up to what we have now

And again not the voters' fault we got got sold out for the check writers

[-] capital@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

“I think the biggest problem is that your messaging to Arab Americans can’t just be ‘Trump’s a fascist, Trump is Hitler. Big, scary orange man, vote for me.’ Part of being a part of the American political system is being able to separate yourself from your opponent and lay out a better vision. And she did not do that,” Abdelrahman said.

Hey, maybe in 2028 the Dem candidate can run on repealing the national abortion ban. That feels like more than saying, "I WON'T enact a national abortion ban". Yayyyy /s

“He at least, at least came and spoke to the Muslims. He heard them and said, ‘OK, I will finish. I will end the war in Middle East,’ even if he didn’t say, you know, a genocide, but he said he will bring peace,” she said. “And that’s what the people wanted to hear, and that’s why he got the votes.”

"Just lie to us at least". Fuck me...

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I need anyone involved with these write "I will not enable a greater evil through my inaction" 69 times on a chalkboard

What you've done is basically said "I wanted steak for dinner, and got chicken, so I just forced everyone to snort draino instead!"

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Don't worry, as this thread shows, the kinds of people who think like this have learned absolutely nothing, and are determined to learn absolutely nothing.

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