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[-] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 hours ago

Can proprietary software be justified?

[-] Soulifix@kbin.melroy.org 1 points 11 hours ago

Yeah.

For example, does Microsoft deserve my money for how much of a dumping they've taken onto Windows since Windows 8? No, they don't.

Because if I did give Microsoft my money, I'm REWARDING them for their half-assery.

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 10 points 1 day ago

What's the justification for not allowing me to make a copy? Those who decry piracy call it theft, but it's not theft since they aren't losing anything. Not a physical product they could run out of, nor a potential sale as has been shown time and time again; people who pirate a thing generally wouldn't have purchased the thing anyway.

This is the only correct answer.

[-] Varyag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 1 day ago

Yes. Next stupid question.

[-] xor@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago

yes but why is probably the bulk of it…

[-] Eyck_of_denesle@lemmy.zip 15 points 1 day ago

I am not stealing. It's there, I take it and it's still there. Don't know why these posts keep popping up in piracy communities. Same plague was there on reddit too. Like seriously it's 2025.

[-] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

Its almost like you think pirating something has no effect on anything.

[-] Eyck_of_denesle@lemmy.zip 1 points 13 hours ago

Not really. I know it can change from people to people. But I personally would have bought it in the first place if I wanted to.

[-] tht@social.pwned.page 9 points 1 day ago

why is anyone still trying to justify piracy? that's step 2 of a conversation that even non-criminals are on step 9 in

[-] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 hours ago

Believe it or not, I've met people like this. I know a guy who was worried about showing a movie to our Meetup group.

Not because he was afraid of getting caught. He thought it might be unethical.

it's crazy how worried normal everyday people are worried about accidentally hurting the feelings of corporations. especially post-covid.

[-] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

To be fair, I think it's because they equate it with stealing. The propaganda works. Most people think that stealing is wrong, and media corporations have put a lot of money into convincing people that filesharing = stealing. Hell, even people who are okay with filesharing call it "piracy", because that's the corporate framing they were brought up with. (Just look at the name of this sub.)

Richard Stallman calls this out in this essay:

The term "piracy" is used by record companies to demonize sharing and cooperation by equating them to kidnaping, murder and theft.

I mean, yes, I enjoy saying "yarr", and "yo-ho-ho", and all the rest of it, but I have to admit that's the result of a successful propaganda campaign. Before people called it "piracy", they called it "filesharing". And, of course, that was a problem, because everybody knows that sharing is good and should be encouraged; but piracy is evil and should be stopped.

[-] veniasilente@lemm.ee 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Everyone has already given their response so there's nothing really to add other than, well, there's lots of reasons to justify piracy. Most of them are even provided by the publishers / distributors themselves!

Also it's weird to browse the top 10 responses or even below, and NOT see this xkcd posted or even linked. What is going on, Lemmy?

[-] stringere@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago

Hey wow! A headline that isn"t answered with "no".

[-] xor@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago

in journalism they teach you to only do headlines with a question if the answer is no, otherwise just make it say “piracy is justified”.

obviously this guy is a musician and not a journalist, and as such, actually thinking about things he makes….
(i like his other videos too)

[-] stringere@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

That's what I was referring to. Thank you for elucidating it, though, for others that may not have known.

[-] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago

It IS justified lol.

[-] CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml 32 points 2 days ago

I bought a quite expensive piece of animation software (that cost over $1000) to use professionally. The specific term it was sold to me under was a "perpetual license." I took this to mean "never ending", which is the dictionary definition of the word "perpetual." You can probably guess where this is going.

A few years later, in the middle of a professional project, it stopped working. I contacted support, and was told that they changed the way they were doing licenses so I'd have to buy a new one (at almost double the price) or eat shit. I'm paraphrasing, but that was the gist of it.

So yeah, if you're thinking of buying a Toon Boom Harmony perpetual license, maybe save yourself a lot of money and hassle and just pirate it instead. Or tell them to get fucked and use their direct competitor. I have done both.

[-] sp3ctre@feddit.org 76 points 2 days ago
[-] DebatableRaccoon@lemmy.ca 51 points 2 days ago

Longer answer: easily yes.

[-] flicker@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 2 days ago
[-] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 days ago
[-] DebatableRaccoon@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 day ago

French Answer: Mais Oui 🥖🥸

[-] far_university190@feddit.org 3 points 1 day ago

German answer: jawohl!

[-] FaceDeer@fedia.io 44 points 2 days ago

Huh. Based on the community this was posted in, I can assume that the answer the video comes to is "yes" and not watch it. But according to Betteridge's law of headlines the answer is "no." I need to argue about this without watching it but I don't know what stance to argue about.

Ah! I'll use the Orbit plugin to get an AI to summarize the video for me. Hm. The AI-generated summary says the video describes an anecdote about music copyright violations, talks about some ethical considerations about both music and software piracy, and then:

The speaker concludes by acknowledging the complexity of the issue and the importance of considering the perspectives of all parties involved.

So I guess the answer was "Maybe?" How am I supposed to have a pointless Internet argument about "Maybe?"

Bah. Someone attack me for using AI, at least that's a debate I can sink my teeth into.

[-] Sturgist@lemmy.ca 31 points 2 days ago

Lazy prick! Should have just put the video on in the background while doing dishes, or do what I did and briefly skim the comments for someone to fight with! AI is dumb, it's not even named effectively and you're dumb for using it and a sheeple for calling it AI in the first place!
Fight me! ❤️

[-] FaceDeer@fedia.io 24 points 2 days ago

Joke's on you, I have a dishwasher machine! Robots do my dishes for me too! It is you who is the dumb one, having to labor manually as you do!

Ah, there we go. Thanks.

[-] flicker@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 days ago

And now I'm here to fight with both of you, not about what you're arguing about, but I'm going to police your tone and call you both stupid because you didn't argue in the arbitrary fashion I've determined is "correct!"

This is the least helpful contribution I can make, while simultaneously attacking you both!

[-] truxnell@infosec.pub 9 points 2 days ago

Is it to early to drop in and call everyone Nazis or nah?

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[-] lvxferre@mander.xyz 25 points 2 days ago
  1. It's morally good when people access information, culture, and entertainment.
  2. It's morally good when the author of a work gets rewarded by their work.

Piracy is morally justified when 1 is a more pressing matter than 2. As such, it's justified in situations like this:

  • If, in the absence of piracy, the pirate would still not pay for the goods - because #2 is set up to zero (the author of the work is not rewarded anyway).
  • If it's impossible to obtain the goods without piracy. For example, abandonware.
  • If the author of the work would get breadcrumbs of the money used to access legally the goods, and the pirate compensates the author directly (e.g. donation).
[-] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

Nuance seems rare in these posts sometimes, I appreciate your post!

[-] mogranja@lemmy.eco.br 34 points 2 days ago

I want the stuff, the stuff is there. I take it. The stuff is still there, nothing was lost, nothing was stolen.

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[-] Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 2 days ago
[-] Trilobite@lemm.ee 34 points 2 days ago

It's always moral to steal from billionaires

[-] quirzle@lemmy.zip 44 points 2 days ago

I agree, but software piracy isn't stealing from anyone.

Stealing definitively requires depriving someone of their own stuff. Piracy is more akin to a massive crowdsourced library. We're all just helping to share the burden of hosting costs.

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[-] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 26 points 2 days ago
[-] sit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 2 days ago

Why do I sneeze when I’m not even sick?

[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 20 points 2 days ago

Irritant particles in your nose. Or you may be someone with a photic sneeze reflex: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photic_sneeze_reflex

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[-] Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 days ago

Usability and user experience. I've been on irc, newsgroups, dc++, etc etc. hell i traded d2 items for game keys on d2jsp.

Why? Convenient as fuck. From my perspective, fuck anyone who is gonna tell me how to consume media. Give me a better experience than i can give myself or fuck off. I'll give my money happily (i have subscriptions) if it's a good service. If it's the only service, meh AND if it sucks ass well, fuck off again.

[-] codexarcanum@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 2 days ago

Can purchasing anything within the system of monstrous exploitation called global capitalism be justified?

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[-] mp3@lemmy.ca 18 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Honestly, I don't have any issue using a pirated software for my own personal use.

I put the line where you use the software to make money.

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