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submitted 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) by isaaclyman@lemmy.world to c/adhd@lemmy.world

Regular reminder that being an asshole is not a symptom of any form of neurodivergence. (You can replace “neurodivergent” with depressed, anxious, bipolar, etc. and the diagram works equally well)

ETA: social faux pas, awkwardness, and genuine symptoms of neurodivergence don’t make you an asshole. I shouldn’t have to say this? An “asshole” is someone who enacts a pattern of abusive, controlling, harassing, and/or harmful behavior with no remorse or concern for how other people are affected.

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[-] folkrav@lemmy.ca 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Yes, but it's IMHO not as clear cut. Some of the things we do because of our executive function disorder can be interpreted as us being assholes by those we interact with. One can act like an asshole at times and not intrinsically be one. Some things are perceived as assholeish by some people but not others.

[-] gibmiser@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

So my take on this is that they still need to be told they are behaving like an asshole. The behavior is inappropriate regardless of the reason. Like " Go away and come back when you have yourself under control and sorry this is hard for you."

[-] folkrav@lemmy.ca 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

On the other hand, it's not always something we actively do. If I lose focus on something I was doing with someone or on a conversation, I didn't do it on purpose, and I literally couldn't help it. I have definitely been called an asshole for it before, but calling me out on it doesn't do anything but make me feel like shit cause it happened again, and as I know it always will, I now know you'll always think I'm being one

[-] Webster@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Intention vs Impact. I recognize that it might not be my intention and it might be fully outside my control, but I was being an ass. Being called out when I do it is good and important, because it helps me figure out next steps - how do I recover from what I missed, how do I make them feel heard, do I have the type of relationship with this person to share my ND?

Part of accepting myself as ND is being able to be called an asshole, accept I was being an asshole, but understanding that it doesn't make me a bad person and I shouldn't feel bad about it since it was outside my control but use it as a chance to figure out the best next steps.

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[-] tdawg@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

To an extent ya. You need to take responsibility for yourself. But also if I interrupt someone constantly that's not bc I want to

[-] VerticaGG@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 4 months ago

One more post for this thread and then protecting my energy. Topic of great passion, interest and survival for me.

You are not an asshole for protecting your energy from abusive behavior.

The following must not be confused with abusive/asshole behavior:

https://purrfurnax.tumblr.com/post/750391775364104192

Social Ostracization and Bannishment should be a last resort only.

We can do better with communal moderation and conflict resolution.

I reccomend the youtube channel AnRel to address some of the greater nuances

Also, this playlist is something i return to every so often: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLaOxDnLZqNcmxxkuxTVxYnhrYEOeoTRjP

[-] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 3 points 4 months ago

It's so hard to tell sometimes. Thinking of a bipolar chap I knew back when. Decent hang most of the time, but really thoughtless and possessive at other times.

I still think he was mostly a jerk. Mostly.

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[-] Emmie@lemm.ee 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Also You will always be a bad person in someone’s eyes, it’s unavoidable. Trick is to make this number small enough to still be accepted in social groups so you can attain the holy triad of Family, House, Health.

In other words - Get rid of witnesses

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[-] Pronell@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

I was in a coffee shop a few years ago and a guy in line was wearing an O.G.R.E. shirt, a way old computer game from 1986.

I said "Nice shirt! Never played that game, though."

Completely delighted, he ranted about his love for the game until my order was ready. And it was a bit hard to get away from him afterward.

This is definitely someone who could've fallen into that category.

But I don't see it that way because I'm also neurodivergent and know people never engage with us like that. Might have made his day.

Just a little story from that borderline in the Venn diagram.

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[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 2 points 4 months ago

I try not to be an asshole.

The problem is I am direct and do not sugar coat things. I treat others how I would like to be treated which can be seen as rude. I make an effort to not be that way but it ends up the same.

[-] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 3 points 4 months ago

I think this overlaps with neurotical v neurodivergent, but also "ask vs guess culture" can be a source of conflict

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[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

If I had a nickel for every time someone says "this person's being a huge jerk to me but I think they might be neurodivergent"

Then I would have zero cents

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[-] brlemworld@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

This is just an ad for MasterCard; change my mind.

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[-] csolisr@hub.azkware.net 2 points 4 months ago

I have, like, three stacks of neurodivergence, but I also have some sense of altruism and am aware of my limitations. So, in order to avoid imposing myself too much on people and ending up as an involuntary jerk, I just avoid interacting with others as much as possible, just in case.

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[-] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

The thing about the neuros is most of the time they don't know they're being assholes. The actual assholes do, and don't care. If you explain to a neuro they are being asshole they will almost always try to change

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[-] kerrigan778@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Being an asshole is occasionally a symptom of me not being consistent enough with my anxiety meds though unfortunately. But I'm generally really apologetic afterwards when I realize and it doesn't happen often and only for a few days typically.

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