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submitted 6 months ago by Olap@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world

Not my title! I do think we are being listened to. And location tracked. And it's being passed on to advertisers. Is it apple though? Probably not is my take away from this article, but I don't trust plenty of others, and apple still does

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[-] rumba@lemmy.zip 1 points 6 months ago

One of my weirder hobbies is trying to convince people that the idea that companies are listening to you through your phone’s microphone and serving you targeted ads is a conspiracy theory that isn’t true.

ARS said, that reuters said, that users said.

Someone needs a new hobby. "Proof" from 3 layers of journalists interpreting a case that they themself said never went to court. Trying to use evidence of absence as proof will never win any hearts in a debate.

I didn't seriously believe it happened either for quite some time because confirmation bias is a bitch. But I've seen it happen a few times where it would have to be a seriously unlikely coincidence.

If it was searched for in Google, Facebook, apple, or whatever sure

If it was correlated with locality and time, sure.

You can infer a lot from a few searches but there are times where nothing was searched for and a novel concept came out of conversation and book there's ads and search completion for it.

Maybe, just maybe, someone settling a lawsuit without being found guilty, doesn't ACTUALLY mean they're innocent.

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[-] flicker@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 6 months ago

Literally the news story that this author cites as motivation for writing this article in the preamble to the article.

[-] serenissi@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago

It's well possible and previously tv mic had been used as bugging device. The problem is, way too many security researchers look in system level software of iOS and even other components of the device that such practice will be too risky for apple (same applies for mainstream android products). Also processing realtime audio, finding potentially unrealiable topic from it and doing realtime ad is actually too much work as of today's tech (might change sooner than you think though).

What, I think, is more practical is to use the whole query after the wake word to show ad, and potentially use other app tracking data, which is way much reliable than voice for targeting purpose. Voice data is useful for bugging purpose, primarily (ab)used by nation states and LE.

I bet in the medical procedure case mentioned in the blog the user searched/talked about that in other apps and average people aren't good to notice these privacy leaks.

[-] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I've always theorized that it should be possible to have multiple wake words with different functions, some invisible to the user.

It has to be "always listening" for the wake word to function at all, so it clearly is doing that, what's to stop them from having another wake word like "bomb" which it then starts recording and sends to the NSA for instance, or even "clip the last 30 seconds" like an xbox could be feasible. Or even have corporations pay to get on the "list" of secret trigger words, like Toyota pays and it hears "Toyota" or "new car" and starts serving ads for 2026 Celicas (I wish lol). It doesn't even have to send much data back for that, just "ohp, said word, check box to join 'toyota' ad group."

I'm not saying they do that, but like, it sounds totally easily possible and I can't be the first person that had this idea, why wouldn't they?

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[-] TheFogan@programming.dev 0 points 6 months ago

I'm always torn on this topic because, yeah there's hundreds of biases that can be attributed to this phenominon.

IE something becomes a popular topic in your area. Meaning more people in the area start searching the topic in that area, thus advertisers start pushing it to that location.

Obviously ads are also tracking you in 100 ways on what you've searched for, looked at etc... which means it could have a good guess of what you are going to talk about, before you do.

But at the same time, I think everyone can think of a lot of stories of things that just seemed to perfect, to out of the blue. For me the big one was 10 years ago when I walked into an attic, said "man it's fucking dark up here", opened my phone, and a big ad for a flashlight app popped up.

[-] Travelator@thelemmy.club 0 points 6 months ago

On Android, I have the mic, location, and camera blocked via the pulldown tiles menu. I turn them on when needed. The OS and some apps like to bitch about this sometimes but it seems to be working ok.

My iphone does not offer these blanket blocking options. It's a work phone, so I just leave it off unless I need it.

[-] x00z@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago

So one of the devices allegedly grabbing keywords from heard conversations, you'd trust with a software based toggle?

I'd only trust hardware toggle.

[-] victorz@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago

You really trust that the button does what it says it does though??!??

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[-] BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago

People always talk about getting served ads after they talk about something. I think it's the other way around. The ads put the thought into your brain and then you start talking about it and notice after you've already been thinking about it for a while.

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[-] scarabic@lemmy.world -1 points 6 months ago

This is a great case of confirmation bias, too. The one time your ad happens to match a conversation you had earlier, you’ll be convinced forever, and tell everyone you know about it. The ten million other times you have a conversation that doesn’t appear in your ads will go unnoticed.

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