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Fake vegans (sopuli.xyz)
submitted 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) by rbn@sopuli.xyz to c/yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com

Vegans being banned and comments being deleted from !vegan@lemmy.world for being fake vegans.

From my perspective, the comments were in no way insulting and just part of completely normal interaction. If this decision reflects the general opinion of the mod team, then from my perspective, the biggest vegan community on Lemmy wants to be an elitist cycle of hardcore vegans only, not allowing any slightly different opinion. Which would be very unfortunate.

PS: In contrast to the name of this community, I don't want to insult anyone here being a 'bastard'. I just want to post this somewhere on neutral ground. I would really appreciate an open discussion without bashing anyone.

Linking the affected users and mods: @Cypher@lemmy.world @gaael@lemmy.world @gredo@lemmy.world @iiGxC@slrpnk.net @veganpizza69@lemmy.world @veganpizza69@lemmy.vg @jerkface@lemmy.ca @TheTechnician27@lemmy.world @Sunshine@lemmy.ca @Aqua@lemmy.vg

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[-] gaael@lemmy.world 25 points 3 hours ago

Lol found out here that I had been banned from the community. Ty for sharing the information :)

Regarding the matter, I understand their reaction.
I've been interacting with some vegan circles IRL and some are more "hardcore" (not in a negative way) than others. When you consider animal exploitation as mass slavery, mass torture and mass murder, it becomes increasingly difficult to tolerate even light deviations from the all-vegan path.

This being said, I would have preferred they had a better wording for the temp ban reason than "fake vegan" by which I feel insulted and hurt.

[-] quirzle@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 hour ago

(not in a negative way)

Debatable.

One of my best friends is a long-term vegan. He generally avoids telling people because he so strongly hates being lumped in with this crowd of asshats.

[-] glimse@lemmy.world 21 points 2 hours ago

The "all or nothing" crowd really knows how to stomp on progress, huh?

[-] AngryishHumanoid@reddthat.com 13 points 2 hours ago

Not a lot of 100% vegan grocery stores, where do they get their food?

[-] Nuerion@lemmy.world 38 points 5 hours ago
[-] misterdoctor@lemmy.world 6 points 2 hours ago

Here I am fully ready to deep dive into some drama from a community I have zero investment in and it’s impossible to read 😩

[-] Zagorath@aussie.zone 3 points 1 hour ago

Your instance seems to be serving you up a thumbnail of the image instead of the actual image. I recommend temporarily looking at the post from another instance, such as mine.

[-] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 3 hours ago

Definitely PTB.

[-] ShareMySims@sh.itjust.works 24 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Lol, I got my vegan card revoked (declared "a carnist") and handed my first fedi ban by the "Real Vegans™" too, for daring to call out their bullshit and ableist militant gatekeeping.

Good luck to them and the toxic cesspit they're so adamant on maintaining, the last thing anyone should be seeking is these people's approval, especially not on being a "good" or "real" vegan, since they make it crystal clear that their top priority is and always will be their own egos. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[-] ocean@lemmy.selfhostcat.com 10 points 4 hours ago

This is why plantbased was made recently

[-] jet@hackertalks.com 20 points 4 hours ago

Purity gatekeeping, and purity competitions, are the bane of any movement. Sorry that happened to you. FWIW I thought your comments were reasonable

[-] rustyfish@lemmy.world 20 points 5 hours ago

This is super weird to me. Back on the Asian ass porn site known as Reddit I could just go into vegan subs and have casual conversations about recipes and cooking techniques. It didn’t matter that I eat meat.

After the API kerfuffle we all celebrated how friendly the internet can be and now you get preemptively banned because you COULD be a bad actor in disguise.

To a point I understand the frustration vegans have to live with. The constant childish trolling can be exhausting, but this is pretty much the worst way to handle this.

[-] HK65@sopuli.xyz 15 points 4 hours ago

Every good cause has fundamentalist dickheads who try to coopt it and make it about them.

[-] can@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 hour ago

And realistically they're more likely to end up here

[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 5 hours ago

Generally very radical vegans also have a right to their own community, however I also think there should be spaces for less radical veganism as well. It seems that currently there's none of those available, or maybe the general hostility of social media against vegans makes any of their more tolerant spaces eventually close ranks to protect their sanity. Unfortunately vegan spaces are constantly brigaded by trolls so it's understandable they have a very short fuse, and a lot of people get caught in the cross-fire.

I think the only solution here would be for a new vegan community with a focus on debate with non-vegans. However it will be tricky to find the right moderators for it who either won't be non-vegans themselves and therefore support a flood of concern-trolls and bad faith arguments, or be vegans that won't get immediately burnt out.

[-] Arcanepotato@vegantheoryclub.org 11 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

So, last time people were mad that vegans were mean to them this community got created:

https://lemmy.world/c/plantbased

Edit: I should finish my coffee before posting, the only post there literally points to this more active com lol: https://lemmy.world/c/plantbased@lemmy.dbzer0.com

See: https://lemmy.world/post/23634881

We all know r/vegan exists and is a cesspit of carnists, but there doesn't seem to be an actual demand for a 'plant based' space. I'm not sure why people would post about something they are kind of meh and not committed to?

If people are interested in just the food, there are communities for that:

I really don't think the rules there are onerous. Just don't talk about abusing animals and don't be a jerk to the other posters and you're good?

[-] Plum@lemmy.world 1 points 8 minutes ago

I'm apparently banned from vegan theory club. I have no idea what I could have done to them.

[-] ComradeMiao@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 3 hours ago

Hey, I didn’t make plantbased to be a less committed version to veganism. I made it because from reddit to lemmy every vegan community I’ve encountered has power tripping toxic mods and I wanted to provide an alternative space.

I’m fully committed to my veganism. But I also wanted people who aren’t to be able to discuss it without being attacked.

After I wrote this I see you’re writing from a vegan instance. I have less experience with there versus vegan communities around here.

[-] fartsparkles@sh.itjust.works 13 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

The hardcore/toxic crowd do nothing except alienate and turn people against the cause and make people think being vegan means being surrounded by assholes.

It’s people like you that welcome everyone into the discussion that inspire more people to try it out; you’re bringing about the real change.

[-] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 hours ago

I'm not even a vegetarian but I am slowly trending y'all's direction. Finding good recipes or product recommendations is key to getting my family to come along with me.

I appreciate being, if not welcomed, at least quietly tolerated!

[-] Arcanepotato@vegantheoryclub.org 5 points 3 hours ago

I should clarify: when I refer to people who aren't committed to veganism I am referring to the same people you are referring to when you say "people who aren't", i.e. the non vegans discussing veganism.

[-] Blaze@feddit.org 7 points 5 hours ago
[-] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 5 hours ago

Probably? I don't know. It started with the same mod team, didn't it?

[-] hamid@vegantheoryclub.org 10 points 5 hours ago

Vegan Theory Club is more radical and different in scope. It is definitely not a place to debate veganism. I let them come to my instance after some nonsense about lemmy.world and we're not federated with lemmy.world. Vegan Theory Club is social media for vegans specifically.

[-] Zagorath@aussie.zone 10 points 5 hours ago

It is definitely not a place to debate veganism

What we see in this post seems to be a debate among vegans about what kinds of places are best to support. Surely that should be welcome in a place called "vegan theory"? It's a form of "debating veganism", just not one between vegans and omnivores.

[-] Arcanepotato@vegantheoryclub.org 5 points 4 hours ago

If I understand my history correctly, Vegan Theory Club is a theory club for vegans, not a club for vegan theory specifically.

There is a discord server of the same name which is way more active for the discussion of leftist theory. Members of the instance can make communities - it's just no one has created one specifically to talk about vegan theory.

Hamid was respond to a suggestion for communities for vegans to debate carnists which db0 correctly identified as draining.

I'm not sure what debate between vegans would be. Debating our interpretation of texts? There is a book club community that's perfect for that.

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[-] Blaze@feddit.org 27 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Another day, another ~~diet~~ vegan/carnivore drama

[-] Zagorath@aussie.zone 6 points 1 hour ago

fyi the normal diet people eat is omnivorous, not carnivorous.

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[-] NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 11 points 5 hours ago

Vegans biting each other 😉

[-] thax@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 34 minutes ago

Heh, getting warmed up for their inevitable turn to cannibalism, to rid the earth of evil humans.

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