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submitted 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) by DankOfAmerica@reddthat.com to c/asklemmy@lemmy.world

Lemmy has a strong tendency to criticize the US, and a lot of the critiques of certain issue with the US are valid. However, I started getting really tired of opening comment sections in innocuous and non-political posts only to see that someone somehow found a way to criticize the US in it. At first, I started thinking that maybe some Lemmy users are really unhappy and find criticizing a something stronger helped them feel better as if standing up to injustice was a passion of theirs. But, we don't see them do that with other targets, just the US. The more I notice and think about it, I'm starting be suspicious that some of those users and comments aren't authentic, but made to create divisiveness in the West and reject the US entirely. In other words, they may be Russian, Chinese, et al. agents working to feed a stream of propaganda in order to further cause chaos and lack of unity in the West as we have seen them do before.

Anyone else think about this?

This is what I'm thinking the game plan is:

  1. Criticize something obviously unjust that the US has done. Ignore that all other major powers have also committed atrocities.
  2. Link and liken it to other US matters & behaviors
  3. Paint the US entirely as evil so that nothing the US can do is just
  4. Attack anyone that supports anything out of the US (we are between here and #3 above)
  5. Create a black-and-white model of geopolitics: US vs everyone else. EU and Russia on the same team lol
  6. West fragments as US and EU relationship dwindle from pseudo-populist movements (e.g. MAGA)
  7. Pick specific countries in the EU to start alienating and repeat the cycle
  8. ???
  9. Profit in special economic zones
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[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 0 points 3 months ago

Most of the anti-American sentiment I've seen on SM over the last 2 or 3 years has been from Americans. It sucks here unless you're rich, racist, and/or incredibly stupid.

[-] FelixCress@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

find criticizing a something stronger helped them feel better

🤦

Are you for real? And you are surprised US and USians get criticised?

[-] OceanSoap@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 months ago

I honestly think there are definitely, if not bots, agents/feds that come on here and really push to radicalize people.

As someone who is generally pro-America, pro- capitalism and pro-liberalism (as in, classical, not today's fucked version), it's really interesting to converse with people who are just as crazy as the "God is King" types, just flipped on the modern versions of conspiracies and bad takes.

[-] slazer2au@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago

Welcome to a non US centric platform. Twitter, Facebook, Reddit,Digg, etc are all US centric platforms so there will be a pile-on when US criticism is mentioned.

Lemmy.world is not a US centric instance so you don't see the pile-on. You get actual opinion on an over represented country.

[-] imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I agree wholeheartedly. My assumption was that such behavior was simply a symptom of the relatively larger proportion of Europeans on this site, and their obvious jealousy and insecurity regarding Americans. I still believe that is the most likely explanation. To be clear, America has done hella dumb shit lately, and is deserving of criticism on many fronts. But what OP is referring to goes beyond that. It's emotional animosity that overflows the bounds of reasonable criticism and targets individuals rather than governmental decisions or policies.

The number of times that I have seen people refer to the American contribution to WWII as cowardice, meaningless, etc, is too damn high. 400,000 Americans died in that war. Read a fucking history book you ignorant, insensitive fucks.

It's certainly possible that there are agents in our midst sowing divisiveness, although unlikely. I don't have any beef with any nationality, because I don't judge people based on where they were born. That should be common sense, but it's apparently difficult for some people to wrap their heads around.

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[-] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 0 points 3 months ago

Lemmy was founded to be where anti-American Americans would go after a lot of their subs were quarantined on Reddit.

That said, it has a major American focus because a lot of users are angry with the American system and don't have a ton of experience with others directly. They've developed an echo chamber here and only got interrupted by the Reddit exodus.

[-] rikudou@lemmings.world -1 points 3 months ago

Well, I'm a real European who is not a fan of the US. Not to the point where I'd prefer Russia or other dictatorship shitholes, but it's like having to choose between getting kicked in the balls really hard and getting shot in the head (just for context, I'm not one of the people who enjoy being kicked in the balls).

Every sane person in this situation would choose getting kicked in the balls, but that doesn't mean you're really happy about it.

[-] Nemo@slrpnk.net -1 points 3 months ago

You mean lemmy, the platform created and maintained by staunch marxist-leninists? That lemmy strikes you as anticapitalist and antiAmerican?

Weird.

[-] HenriVolney@sh.itjust.works -1 points 3 months ago

I understand the concern and certainly believe that troll farms are slowly creeping into Lemmy as it gains traction. However, I think most of US bashing is authentic as it reflects the enormous impact of US political life on the rest of the planet. Moreover, other countries receive a constant flux of information about the US, to the point where it seems that US news is as important as domestic news. The fact that Trump remains omnipresent in the media doesn't help either.

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[-] Diva@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

It really takes living in America to appreciate how necessary anti-american sentiment is. Regime change begins at home.

[-] ZoDoneRightNow@kbin.earth -1 points 3 months ago

Fuck the US hyper-centrism. If this place was so anti US, why are all the communities titled "News" and "Politics" exclusively for discussing seppo shit? This place is less US-centric than other platforms but is still extremely US focused. If you look for more than a second, you will find anti-russia, anti-china, anti-israel and anti-germany shit too (just to name a few). Finally, I just want to say, fuck the United States of America and everything that that hellhole represents. I am sorry that you have to live there

[-] masterspace@lemmy.ca -1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Stop fucking declaring war on your allies and neighbours if you don't want people fucking pissed at you.

When the sentiment is anti-west generally, and anti-EU, then it seems sus to me, just anti-American feels pretty valid.

[-] TVA@thebrainbin.org -1 points 3 months ago

Am American, agree 100%. JFC we've destabilized countries around the world and are now getting hurt fee-fees because people are rightfully pissed off about it‽ We've made the world significantly less safe and now want to play the victim.

I had nothing to do with that. I'm not happy it happened. I'm pissed off that it ever happened. People in other countries aren't pissed at ME and I understand that, but they are definitely rightfully, pissed at my country and so am I.

[-] magnetosphere@fedia.io -1 points 3 months ago

America has made a LOT of mistakes, and started (or backed) plenty of wars/revolutions. We’re the only major industrialized nation without some form of healthcare for all. The gap between rich and poor is tremendous, and only growing larger. Our legal system has some flaws, to say the least. America is the richest, most powerful country in the world. We didn’t get that way by always making ethical decisions. There’s a great deal of legitimate criticism out there.

Plus, this is a worldwide site. If Americans themselves don’t always like how the country is run, why should people of other countries always speak positively of America?

[-] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works -1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I would be surprised if hostile countries thought that Lemmy was popular enough to bother infiltrating. They probably haven't heard of Lemmy at all.

I think the explanation is simply that Lemmy's users are all contrarians, or else they would be using Reddit. Frequently they are of the international leftist sort due to the founder effect.

[-] Diva@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 months ago

I think the explanation is simply that Lemmy’s users are all contrarians, or else they would be using Reddit. Frequently they are of the international leftist sort due to the founder effect.

You also get pretty aggressively censored/banned for expressing opposition to US foreign policy on reddit. For example hexbear is on here and has the culture it has because it was originally a lifeboat for a leftist subreddit that got banned.

[-] ted@sh.itjust.works -1 points 3 months ago
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