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submitted 1 week ago by winety@lemmy.zip to c/games@lemmy.world

So, Starfield was a disappointment (in my opinion). The story isn't interesting. The lore and world-building do not make sense. The game mechanics do not mesh together. (And it doesn't run well on the Steam Deck.)

But the promise of Starfield? The big space game? The big space RPG where you can play as Captain Reynolds type character? That's something I can get behind. I want to traverse space, visit different planets, get lost, meet interesting characters, solve their problems, and shoot some stuff. Two games come to my mind when I think of this:

  • No Man's Sky
  • Mass Effect

I've only played a few hours of No Man's Sky, but I think it does space traversal well. To put it bluntly, flying from planet to planet without interruption is better than fast travel. But the gameplay loop did not

Mass Effect nails the space adventure side of things. You visit multiple interesting places, you meet different people with curious problems, and you solve these problems (mainly by shooting). But it's a typical Bioware game: The places you visit are small and confined, and there are (comparatively) few of them. The space traversal is done by clicking a few buttons in a menu.

My question is: Are there any “big space games”? Are there any games that deliver on the promise of Starfield? What are your favourite sci-fi RPGs?

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[-] Kaldo@fedia.io 3 points 1 week ago

I too wish for a game like this but apparently it's impossible to do it, either due to lack of vision, budget or expertise (or all of the above). Starfield sounded perfect on paper and it was a good studio to attempt it but in the end it was just a bland, soulless, boring mess of a game.

As for my suggestions, I just got smaller games, not larger ,and in that vein honestly: FTL. It's a 2d sprite roguelike and yet it's the best game at giving me the feeling of being a scrappy starship captain on the run, trying to scrounge together resources in order to complete my trip despite overwhelming odds.

The second closest game is Starbound but your mileage will vary, it feels unfinished and there is no real story to speak off, although the ship you continually improve and build in over time as you explore the universe does start to feel cozy and homely. It is also basically a worse Terraria in space so if you don't like gameplay like that, skip.

If you like Mass Effect you ought to try KOTOR1 and 2, oldies but goldies, but they do have the same weaknesses you already outlined for ME, it's very much a set story.

[-] winety@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 week ago

Faster Than Light's my jam! For me, it was dethroned from the throne of roguelite games by Slay the Spire.

Starbound was the first and last game I pre-ordered. I wish they would have stuck to the original vision with the survival mechanics. Thinking about it, Starbound is basically a proto-Starfield. The both promised an experience based on a different game (Terraria in space vs. Skyrim in space) that was undercut by the overuse of procedural generation. (Someone please create an 8 hour video essay about this.)

[-] Kaldo@fedia.io 1 points 1 week ago

Yep, there are definitely many comparisons between Starbound and Starfield, it is why I was excited about SF in the first place - it looked like a big budget SB made by an experienced veteran team! The joke's on me I guess lol

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[-] aphonefriend@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago

Haven't seen anyone mention Starpoint Gemini. Warlords was probably the best iteration. Kinda like Eve but single player and a half way decent story.

[-] NerfHerder@lemm.ee 2 points 1 week ago

SpaceBourne 2

SpaceBourne 2 is a single-player, open-universe RPG and third-person shooter game with an abundance of features, including role-playing, mining, trading, piracy, crafting, and deep exploration. The story picks up where it left off in SpaceBourne, but now the player's goal is to build a new empire in the galaxy, with the methods of doing so being completely up to the player.

[-] TotalFat@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Duskers. A game that seems to be inspired heavily by the aesthetics of the first Alien movie. Instead of one terrifying xenomorph, there are four (?) different kinds all working independently to exterminate humanity. You're at the point in the story where they've basically succeeded, and you're trying to figure out what the heck happened. You get to do some basic scripting as well!

[-] korendian@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

I know there has been some controversy around it, but Star Wars Outlaws might be worth a look.

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[-] Linktank@lemmy.today 2 points 1 week ago

I vote for Elite Dangerous...

It's 10,000 miles wide and an inch deep, but that's still a lot of water.

[-] verdigris@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago

Glad you acknowledge the major problem. I found that once you realize how little there actually is to do in every system, and how similar it all feels, the illusion is destroyed and there's very little besides PvP that's still interesting. If they could somehow roll in some of the bigger systems from EVE Online that would be sick, but the expansions have shown that mostly what they care about is having an easily maintainable product, not an exciting one.

[-] MojoMcJojo@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Still in early access, and not very pleasant to looking at first glance, but Ostronauts is a start from scratch go anywhere and solve problems space game. On my first play I was pulled over but the cops for salvaging without a license only for the cop to write me a ticket and then start flirting with me. I got his number. Make sure you can cover the cost of the ticket and docking fees before you dock or they won't let you undock. Flight mechanics are very real and you quickly feel like your piloting a space jalopy. RPG system is great too. You unlock skills that level as you use them and need to repair components as they can break down. Slow development by I think one guy, but a work of love for sure.

[-] winety@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 week ago

Ostranauts looks cool as heck! I've added it to my wishlist.

[-] verdigris@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago

Star Citizen is the only modern game that I've got any hope for. It's still years from being a proper game, but in the meantime you can have a surprising amount of fun in the persistent universe, assuming you can run it at acceptable framerates.

It gets a ton of hate, which I think is pretty unjustified given that it's the single most ambitious gaming project ever, and the progress they've made with in-house tools is frankly amazing. Just don't go dropping hundreds on ships and you won't have anything to regret.

[-] Agrivar@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

mmmmmmmn

Delicious copium.

[-] voracitude@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I believed in Chris Roberts because of Freelancer and backed it on Kickstarter, and have watched from the shadows as the story has unfolded. I occasionally dipped my toes in to see how it was coming along, but the performance was awful on midline hardware so I put it back down and waited. Now that the turmoil at the top has come out and people are leaving, I don't hold much hope for the future of the game.

I think the reason it gets a ton of hate is that Roberts had gone and proven that Microsoft were absolutely right to take Freelancer away from him so it could get finished. They weren't shackling a maverick genius, they were mitigating losses from his poor leadership.

Maybe check out Starsector by https://fractalsoftworks.com. It's written in Java so it runs on basically anything, and it's 2d top-down but the detail on the ships is great. I love this game very much because it scratches most of the itches I was hoping for from Star Citizen.

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[-] Death_Equity@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

I enjoyed Starfield, but it wasn't anywhere near good enough to put the same hours into it as most Bethesda games. It had such potential, but they dropped the ball.

[-] lath@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Not really what is looked for here in most ways, but there's Parkan.

I have little to say other than it exists.

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