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submitted 1 week ago by winety@lemmy.zip to c/games@lemmy.world

So, Starfield was a disappointment (in my opinion). The story isn't interesting. The lore and world-building do not make sense. The game mechanics do not mesh together. (And it doesn't run well on the Steam Deck.)

But the promise of Starfield? The big space game? The big space RPG where you can play as Captain Reynolds type character? That's something I can get behind. I want to traverse space, visit different planets, get lost, meet interesting characters, solve their problems, and shoot some stuff. Two games come to my mind when I think of this:

  • No Man's Sky
  • Mass Effect

I've only played a few hours of No Man's Sky, but I think it does space traversal well. To put it bluntly, flying from planet to planet without interruption is better than fast travel. But the gameplay loop did not

Mass Effect nails the space adventure side of things. You visit multiple interesting places, you meet different people with curious problems, and you solve these problems (mainly by shooting). But it's a typical Bioware game: The places you visit are small and confined, and there are (comparatively) few of them. The space traversal is done by clicking a few buttons in a menu.

My question is: Are there any “big space games”? Are there any games that deliver on the promise of Starfield? What are your favourite sci-fi RPGs?

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[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The Outer Worlds is pretty much what Starfield could and should have been and was made by Obsidian, the developers behind a ton of other great games such as (in chronological order, with the best of all games ever bolded)

  • Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 2
  • Neverwinter Nights 2
  • Fallout New Vegas
  • Pillars of Eternity
  • Tyranny
  • Pillars of Eternity 2

There's even a sequel to it coming out some time this year so you don't run as much of a risk of running out of game any time soon!

[-] winety@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 week ago

In this genre of “big space games”, The Outer Worlds stands near to Mass effect, because it follows “the Bioware formula” pretty closely: The player and a group of followers visit several semi-open worlds, where they look for a MacGuffin related to the main story while solving local problems. (I’ll write a short essay about the Bioware formula someday…)

The Outer Worlds was a good game (not great) and I look forward to the sequel. I’ve played most Obsidian games and I wish they wrote more sci-fi.

[-] FeelzGoodMan420@eviltoast.org 5 points 1 week ago

Hm. In my opinion Outer Worlds was just as boring and mediocre as starfield.

[-] Kaboom@reddthat.com 4 points 1 week ago

You aren't wrong, but it's better than starfield.

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[-] winety@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 week ago

I’d say it was a solid 7/10. One of the DLCs (Peril on Gorgon I think) is better than the base game, I’ve heard.

On a good day, Starfield’s a 5/10 in my eyes.

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[-] HipsterTenZero@dormi.zone 3 points 1 week ago

It's not the be~st choice, it's spacer's choice!

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[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

There's always Star Citizen... :)

Okay but really I agree that Starfield is a mess. The thing is, nobody else has really delivered on the whole package yet. Ground and space combat, trading, and a narrative.

Mass effect and Freelancer gave two different sides of the coin and I think they're the next closest.

[-] ICastFist@programming.dev 6 points 1 week ago

Freelancer

+1 for that. One of the best space sims, despite its age, and my first contact with actual zero-g dogfighting (boost, turn off engine, rotate ship to try and hit the enemy)

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[-] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Try Freelancer. It's literally free / abandonware by Microsoft. It's a little old but perhaps it will scratch the "big space game" itch you're looking for?

https://www.myabandonware.com/game/freelancer-bbb

Microsoft themselves hosted it for the longest time but they don't anymore

There is even a mod called "Discovery" which ads an online MMO component ....buuuut there's a huge emphasis on Role playing and PvP so that might not be for you (it isn't for me either)

https://discoverygc.com/

For single player mods there is one called "Crossfire"

[-] pezhore@infosec.pub 4 points 1 week ago

Yes! Freelancer is an amazing (albeit slightly dated) game. It takes some effort to get set up, but it does run quite well on Linux.

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[-] endeavor@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 week ago

Elite Dangerous: Best space travel, strap on your VR, put on a virtual monitor playing star trek into your cockpit and stand in awe of how gigantic planets truly are. It has fallen under mismanagement and its mid to late game is terrible. But for the price it's great.

X4: Space sandbox game from the legendary studio behind... the x series. Fantastic galaxy sim where you can do whatever. Hunt bounties, be poor space trader who converts all their life savings to silicon wafers only to find out nobody is buying them or become ceo of the entire space. Only negative for me is it would be the perfect game if it had open space and orbiting planets and all.

Star Sector: basically mountain blade in space. Not on steam.

Space Engineers: Build your own spaceships and do whatever. The resources are more befitting of an automation game and you can automate.

More niche games: Astrox: Even online but singleplayer. Objects in space: Abandonware that takes an interesting approach to space travel. Delta v: rings of saturn: hardest sci fi space mining simulator around the rings of saturn. Starship EVO: very early access but has the best ship building system I've seen so far and ring worlds.

[-] absquatulate@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

These are the ones I've played over the years. Hope I'm not missing anything:

Elite Dangerous - Highly reccomend this, it's basically a huge sandbox, with full size galaxy, "real" star distances and orbits, excellent flight model. It also has the most awesome community around it. Downsides are that while it has lore and ongoing background story, there's no quest, no interesting characters, no rpg elements. Also there's quite a learning curve, and quite a grind (albeit maneageable these days). There's also a new colonization feature in the works that will involve a lot of comunity effort. If you do decide to play it, join a group, a squad, or just buzz me so I can add you here and there. Friends make the game sooo much better.

Everspace 2 - This may be what you're looking for, as it has story, good gameplay, arcadey flight model and lots of rpg elements. Overall a great game. Only problem with it is that it's not particularly large. Its universe is far smaller than starfield's.

NMS - Another one with an immense galaxy. This one has a storyline, but not a lot of rpg elements. A lot of it is procedural and after a while feels very samey and shallow. It does have crossplay and a great community as well.

X4 - Not especially large, but great single player game, with a universe that feels lived in. Also no rpg and I hear the endgame gets a bit managery.

Spacebourne - Haven't played it long but iy gas good potential. There's a bunch of systems, there's quests, reminds me a bit of freelancer. The downside is that there's a single dev, so development is slow and there's a fair amount of jank.

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ME - I feel it is still king of story driven spage-rpg even after all these years. Maybe give Andromeda a try? The story is meh, but it has great gameplay, and far fewer bugs.

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[-] frezik@midwest.social 7 points 1 week ago

Lots, but only a few that are worth a damn. I've come to call them "Han Solo Simulators".

Its a genre that seems to attract a lot of half baked game designers. Make a big universe sandbox where you fly a spaceship to space stations and planets and moons and trade stuff and do pirate shit or anti-pirate shit. Lots of people have this idea, only a few make anything good out of it. Doesn't seem like it can go wrong, and yet . . .

Battlecruiser 3000 AD is a particularly infamous case of 90s Internet lore. By all accounts, it did eventually patch the game up enough to be decent, but it took years to get there. At release, the game's installer would crash for most people. However good it might have ended up, the Internet drama was better than the game ever could be. Look up "Derek Smart" if you're interested.

The X series is one I want to like, but it's been really buggy for me. Like rage quit when it destroys my progress kind of buggy. I haven't played X4, though.

No Man's Sky was an infamous mess at launch. Unlike Battlecruiser 3000 AD, it did eventually change its reputation, but it was a long, hard road. I played it a few years ago and found it uninteresting, but basically playable.

And then there's Star Citizen. I'll just leave it at that.

Anyway, the Elite series is probably the most successful for single player or smaller multiplayer, and Eve: Online for massively multiplayer.

[-] BallShapedMan@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Everspace 2 (first one was a rogue like, you don't need to play it to enjoy the sequel)

Rebel Galaxy Outlaw (also a sequel, the first one doesn't have a Y axys so you may not like it)

Chorus

All three are a lot of fun, neither are AAA games so they lack a bit of polish but aren't vanilla as hell either. I enjoyed each one better than Starfield but neither as much as ME 1-3.

Also I've had some luck with https://www.50gameslike.com/ finding games.

[-] sirboozebum@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Everspace 2 is heaps of fun and looks fantastic.

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[-] kayzeekayzee@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 week ago

Escape Velocity: Nova is hands-down one of the best space rpgs ever made, and it's a real shame that almost nobody talks about it.

[-] moncharleskey@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 week ago

Endless Sky is a solid spiritual successor in my opinion.

[-] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Wow you aren’t kidding! I was expecting some 3D modern graphics thing but it’s literally a new Escape Velocity game without the EV name!

Thanks for this. Wishlisted!

Edit: oh it’s actually free!

[-] moncharleskey@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 week ago

It's a great game, and reeeeeally scratches that itch. There is a solid port for android as well.

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

X3: Reunion/Albion Prelude

X4

Elite: Dangerous

Spacebourne 2

Shit, even Star Trek: Online does what Starfield promised better, and it's basically just another dime a dozen MMOs with a high profile licensed IP behind it.

For the most part, it's either going to be missing a few things you're looking for, or will offer everything but not actually be good/finished (such as with Star Citizen or anything ever made by Derek Smart, and why none of those are in the above list).

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[-] Vinny_93@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Star Citizen will get a story mode called Squadron 42 witch should be feature complete and it has a star studded Hollywood cast. It looks worthwile but it won't be here for at least a year.

A year or twenty. Given how long they are taking, I wouldn't be surprised if the game was never released.

[-] verdigris@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago

SQ42 has gone gold and is in polish phase, I would expect it within two years for sure.

[-] deadcream@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 week ago

I can't tell if it's satire or not

Given the history of these guys, I am not gonna believe it until I see the game released and in the stores. Until then, as everything around star citizen, this is vaporware aimed at milking the whales that keep giving them money.

[-] verdigris@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago

I love how it gets called "vaporware" when it's a playable product with more gameplay than many MMOs. I'm also very grateful to the whales for providing the funds to develop the game.

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[-] shadowedcross@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago

Perhaps Starsector? It's a top-down sandbox rpg. I personally find the lore and world-building interesting. Has great mechanics, and you can really get into the nitty-gritty when it comes to ship and fleet builds, you can basically do anything you want, whether you want to do solo stuff or form an empire. It also has a fantastic modding community.

[-] voracitude@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Came here to suggest it and here it is, the newest comment! The modding scene is insane, too, for such a relatively small and unknown game.

I love Starsector. I just wish it was written in something more performant than fuckin' Java. But, if it were, there probably wouldn't be the mods for it there are today.

One of these days, I'm going to get around to writing a quest line of my own. Honest.

[-] shadowedcross@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago

Yeah, Starsector is probably my favourite lesser known game. There's a mod/tool called "Mikohime Java 24" that's supposed to help a lot with the performance, but I haven't had a chance to test it myself. Would be great to see another quest line, if I had the skills I'd love to make a mod myself lol.

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[-] otp@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago

There's the game that inspired them from the early 90s, Star Control 2.

It's free on Steam as Free Stars: The Ur-Quan Masters, but the best way to play it today is Ur-Quan Masters Mega Mod. So many QoL features!

The game also had some sequels, including Star Control Origins, which is a more modern game, but the story isn't quite as good.

Star Control 3 exists, but sucks.

And then there's the series from the 80s that inspired this one, Starflight. That one was too dated for me to get into, though.

[-] winety@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 week ago

I often see Star Control 2 mentioned as an inspiration for Mass Effect. How does Star Control compare to Mass Effect? Is there a set story or is it more of an emergent narrative?

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[-] PushButton@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Elite Dangerous

[-] the_captain@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 1 week ago

if only elite dangerous had a campaign

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[-] Kaldo@fedia.io 3 points 1 week ago

I too wish for a game like this but apparently it's impossible to do it, either due to lack of vision, budget or expertise (or all of the above). Starfield sounded perfect on paper and it was a good studio to attempt it but in the end it was just a bland, soulless, boring mess of a game.

As for my suggestions, I just got smaller games, not larger ,and in that vein honestly: FTL. It's a 2d sprite roguelike and yet it's the best game at giving me the feeling of being a scrappy starship captain on the run, trying to scrounge together resources in order to complete my trip despite overwhelming odds.

The second closest game is Starbound but your mileage will vary, it feels unfinished and there is no real story to speak off, although the ship you continually improve and build in over time as you explore the universe does start to feel cozy and homely. It is also basically a worse Terraria in space so if you don't like gameplay like that, skip.

If you like Mass Effect you ought to try KOTOR1 and 2, oldies but goldies, but they do have the same weaknesses you already outlined for ME, it's very much a set story.

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[-] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 3 points 1 week ago

star trek online. you could technically warp to destinations rather than fast travel but it would be hard to keep that up and ignore them. It even has a race event where the ships have to visit major planets and locations and it even allows for transwarps but because of the race nature you at best can use it for a shortcut or two to optimize the path. They used to have events with hourly rotations and just being up and watching the space map was sorta neat as you would see all these ships trying to do the race. They switched to a format where people could choose it more whenever they want though so it lost that particular community effect.

[-] snekerpimp@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Throwing Elite Dangerous in there as well. The learning curve is steep, and story is not driven by anything but you. But oh my god does it satisfy that “fuuuuck space is so big” feeling. The one thing that was fun in Starfield was the gunplay, which is the only thing missing in vanilla Elite, but they have an expansion that adds that. I haven’t played Odyssey, but supposedly it has gotten much better over the years.

[-] verdigris@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago

The E:D devs shit in every existing player's mouth when the first paid expansion dropped, and they've never fixed their abusive pricing model. You're actively punished for being a legacy user.

I probably would have bitten the bullet and kept playing if the game wasn't incredibly shallow, though. Somehow it manages to still be that way after several content expansions... Everything is a novelty that gets repetitive the second time you do it, and the variance between systems is frankly embarrassing. PvP is the only facet that has any real replay value, and I'd rather dogfight in Star Citizen.

[-] winety@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 week ago

I have Elite Dangerous on Steam. I have 8 hours of playtime. Alas, without a story to hook me in, space trucking is not for me. :(

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[-] TotalFat@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Duskers. A game that seems to be inspired heavily by the aesthetics of the first Alien movie. Instead of one terrifying xenomorph, there are four (?) different kinds all working independently to exterminate humanity. You're at the point in the story where they've basically succeeded, and you're trying to figure out what the heck happened. You get to do some basic scripting as well!

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