The US is upset that China is building ships too fast (www.reuters.com)

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[-] Xiisadaddy@lemmygrad.ml 53 points 3 weeks ago

Holy shit. 50%+ of global ship building is crazy. The US better not dare go to war with China cuz if they convert even a fraction of those shipyard to making naval vessels theyd be able to absolutely dominate the sea. And the US has its vassals in east asia doing most of its ship building which are within targetting range of chinese Ground based missile systems im pretty sure.

The sheer incompetence of the US to let it get this bad is insane. It makes me think the empire will fall much sooner than i thought it would. I am so proud of our chinese comrades.

[-] cayde6ml@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 3 weeks ago

If the current global geopolitical situation were made into a novel, a metric-shit ton of people would think that the evil empire whining about being outcompeted by it's rival and dogged underdog protagonist at over 200 times it's shipbuilding capacity and being nearly completely unable to catch up would be a woefully unrealistic, stupid, plot armor deus ex machina type of thing.

I'm so fucking glad it's real.

[-] Pathfinder@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Radhika Desai brought up a great point regarding this on the latest Geopolitical Economy podcast: civilian shipbuilding and military shipbuilding are complementary industries. China has both, the US only has one (military). Having both allows greater innovation and technological development as people and resources can move between both. What you may learn in civilian shipbuilding will have applications in military shipbuilding (or in more Marxist terms, practice helps build knowledge and understanding). If you only having military shipbuilding capabilities, in time you may very well lag behind other nations that have both (certain when you’re talking about the scale that China is at).

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 3 weeks ago

civilian shipbuilding and military shipbuilding are complementary industries. China has both, the US only has one (military)

And even their military shipbuilding industry is decaying, showing that indeed you need both.

Having both allows greater innovation and technological development as people and resources can move between both. What you may learn in civilian shipbuilding will have applications in military shipbuilding

It's probably a significant factor that recently US Navy is eating the constant stream of L's

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[-] Addfwyn@lemmygrad.ml 29 points 3 weeks ago

"The US is upset that China is" is probably enough of a headline already.

But it is okay, YouTube told me they will collapse any day now! Annnnny day now.

[-] Grapho@lemmy.ml 16 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

China really said no u

[-] MasterDeeLuke@lemmygrad.ml 25 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I think we might see China overtake the US's naval power sooner then people think. Ships don't last forever and large of percentage of the US's existing ships are aging, meanwhile practically all of China's current navy was built in the last 25 years with no signs of slowing down.

Edit: I looked it up and 7 out the 11 active US carriers were built before the collapse of the USSR, the newest being the Ford which was launched in 2009.

[-] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 3 weeks ago

Also the dynamics are changing, it's no longer possible to keep carriers safe with stuff like hypersonic weapons in play.

[-] EchoCT@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 weeks ago

I got out of the US navy 10 years ago and we were shittingbricks about the hypersonic missiles then, can't imagine it got better.

[-] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 3 weeks ago

I can imagine planners in the navy are losing a lot of sleep over them.

[-] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 21 points 3 weeks ago

"unfairly" lol fuckin scrub energy

[-] Grapho@lemmy.ml 26 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

"Socialism will never work" mfs when capitalism gets dogwalked by socialism

[-] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 21 points 3 weeks ago

If their economic system is superior perhaps we should adopt it thonk

[-] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 3 weeks ago

[-] cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 3 weeks ago

Sore loser says what?

[-] big_spoon@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 3 weeks ago

so...a communist country is beating the capitalist core in the production game?

[-] EuthanatosMurderhobo@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 3 weeks ago

U.S. President Joe Biden's administration has concluded China uses unfair policies and practices to dominate the global maritime, logistics and shipbuilding sectors.

Kinda reminds me of this. Same impotent rage + denial of responsibility energy.

[-] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I just love how the US argues that capitalism should be adopted because it's efficient, but also throws a tantrum when an alternative system outcompetes capitalism.

[-] amemorablename@lemmygrad.ml 8 points 3 weeks ago

Lol, reminds me of that line from the movie Liar Liar:

"Your honor, I object!"

"And why is that?"

"Because it's devastating to my case!"

It's really something to have the US talk about what's "fair" after it has terrorized (and in some ways still is terrorizing) as much of the world as it possibly can since the end of WWII.