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submitted 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) by ShotDonkey@lemmy.world to c/privacy@lemmy.ml

In an unexpected mask off "secure" email and VPN provider Proton took the stance of siding with the fascist MAGA Reps. Proton's services are no option for me and many others any longer. Let's collect and discuss alternatives (E2E encrypted email and VPN) here 🔐👇

Always try to provide:

-Server location (jurisdiction)

-Governance

-Integrity/trustworthiness/transparency

-User experience/ease of use (grade 1 to 10, lets take Proton as a benchmark with an 8)

-Pricing and links

If you know alternative setups, feel free to share, too.

#ProtonExodus

Background: https://lemmy.ca/comment/13913116

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[-] Nicro@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 1 hour ago

I'm currently on Tuta, because I can't imagine Mail without a free tier. It's run out of Germany(EU). Its 3€ a month for the normal tier, free takes away most features. Like Proton, you need to use their (OSS)-Client, for encryption reasons. It's currently growing and I hope they don't go crazy anytime soon.

I was looking at Posteo, but I don't want my entire internet identity to be gone, if I ever can't pay for it.

[-] ShotDonkey@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago
[-] nightm4re@feddit.org 10 points 2 hours ago

I've said it in another thread: German users should consider posteo as a green, safe, and affordable (1€/M) alternative. https://posteo.de/de

[-] e8d79@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 11 minutes ago

I use and like posteo but their refusal to allow custom domain names, for in my opinion dubious reasons, should not go unmentioned.

[-] beegnyoshi@lemm.ee 2 points 1 hour ago

Never used it. Is there a reason why you mention German users, in specific?

[-] ShotDonkey@lemmy.world 6 points 1 hour ago

No, anyone can use it, payed plans only though (1€ p month min)

[-] nightm4re@feddit.org 2 points 44 minutes ago

It's not limited to German users, but those might be especially inclined since it's a Berlin-based company 🙂

[-] Saizaku@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 20 minutes ago* (last edited 19 minutes ago)

I would actually argue that for privacy reasons when choosing an email provider you should go for one outside of the country you live in, even better go for one in a country that wouldn't comply with your country's court requests for data.

Edit: ac corrected actually to factually lol

[-] beegnyoshi@lemm.ee 1 points 27 minutes ago

I see, thank you!

[-] Doomsider@lemmy.world 22 points 3 hours ago

Remember when businesses stayed the fuck out of politics so they didn't alienate their customers because they like money? Pepperidge Farms remembers.

[-] BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 hour ago

Thank fuck I didn't get that subscription, I was looking into getting a secure mail service. I engaged with people calling proton a CIA honeypot, investigating what was up with the rumors and I was about to jump into bed with proton.

[-] therealjcdenton@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 hour ago

So literally one guy can change your entire network lifestyle?

[-] filcuk@lemmy.zip 1 points 6 minutes ago

I am trying to understand this too... I don't care about the CEO's personal opinions, so long as Proton provide the service they promised.
I'd be happy if someone would ELI5 as to why I'm wrong, I'm too lazy to switch otherwise.

[-] MITM0@lemmy.world 4 points 3 hours ago

Does DisRoot count ? It has a myriad of services that are all FOSS tools Has a "Hub-App" on Fdroid

[-] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 hours ago

I swear by Njalla, which is run by Peter Sunde

[-] echolalia@lemmy.ml 14 points 5 hours ago

Trump's terrible politics aside:

  1. the Republican party is pushing legislation which requires you to identify yourself to view porn

  2. you can get around this with a VPN

  3. proton is a VPN (nonprofit, but still).

I'll be switching email providers when I can... I can't remember when my subscription ends.

[-] Onyx376@lemmy.ml 25 points 6 hours ago

Abandoning the Proton subscription now. How stupid and irresponsible. In fact, are running away from all your principles.

[-] LemoineFairclough@sh.itjust.works 6 points 5 hours ago

It seems there aren't any exact replacements, but this probably lists service providers to consider: https://www.privacyguides.org/en/email/

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