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[-] roux@hexbear.net 38 points 4 months ago

I still think it's fucking hilarious that they tried to make him look like National Threat No. 1 but ended up creating one of the most badass photos of 2024 instead.

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[-] Alice@beehaw.org 29 points 4 months ago

I get the point but "criminal" isn't a moral label. Cops are monsters even if they don't break the law. Similarly, if Luigi did it, that means he committed a crime but it still doesn't make him the villain.

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[-] David_Eight@lemmy.world 18 points 4 months ago

New York City Mayor Eric Adams’ federal corruption trial will begin next April.

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[-] M68040@hexbear.net 17 points 4 months ago

The world needs more Robin Hoods and Ishikawa Goemon. Given increasing inequity and corruption without any real hope at a systemic level, Material conditions are right for the return of the outlaw hero, I think.

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[+] Tb0n3@sh.itjust.works -21 points 4 months ago

You can agree with the justice of what he did, but Luigi did, in fact, commit 1st degree murder. That's a crime.

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[+] hamid@vegantheoryclub.org 44 points 4 months ago

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[+] Tb0n3@sh.itjust.works -24 points 4 months ago

I am not a court. I don't have to have a trial to believe in somebody's guilt. According to the evidence I have seen it appears he shot a man to death.

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[-] underwire212@lemm.ee 23 points 4 months ago

They are, by law, innocent until proven guilty. The “evidence” you have seen is certainly not all the evidence, and your beliefs have been swayed before defense can make an argument.

I sure as hell hope you never serve on a jury.

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[-] Tb0n3@sh.itjust.works -4 points 4 months ago

I am not representing the law. I am representing my own opinion. I am not a judge or a jury member.

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[+] hamid@vegantheoryclub.org 18 points 4 months ago

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[-] Tb0n3@sh.itjust.works -1 points 4 months ago

Are you telling me it's FAKE NEWS?

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[+] hamid@vegantheoryclub.org 1 points 4 months ago

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[-] Tb0n3@sh.itjust.works -1 points 4 months ago

It really seems like it's human nature to call out bullshit when you see it on your opposing side and then do mental gymnastics when it gets applied to you.

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[+] hamid@vegantheoryclub.org 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

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[-] Tb0n3@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 months ago

lol

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[-] Cysioland@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 4 months ago

no investigation no right to speak

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[-] HK65@sopuli.xyz 6 points 4 months ago

He shot a man to death who killed thousands. He's a vigilante if anything.

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[+] Micromot@feddit.org -13 points 4 months ago

He still commited a crime which makes him a criminal which is just a fact and has nothing to do with the crime being justified

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[-] HK65@sopuli.xyz 9 points 4 months ago

What makes someone "criminal" as a quality? Breaking the law? Killing people? Are all health insurance workers criminals too?

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[-] TheFogan@programming.dev 2 points 4 months ago

I mean, the word criminal basically means law breaker.

Now as many laws are unjust and many horrific actions are protected by the law.

Just like at one point in time... a futitive slave, would be by definition a criminal, and his owner by definition not a criminal.

Again, the whole concept is noting that it's about the definition of the word criminal... and that criminal does not have to do with morality.... only in concurance with the laws of the land it is taking place in.

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[-] Micromot@feddit.org -4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Commiting a crime makes you a criminal, so if you break a law you are a criminal. And if the decisions of health insurance workers are also breaking laws they are criminals too.

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[-] HK65@sopuli.xyz 8 points 4 months ago

Then if you have ever gone faster than the speed limit, you are a criminal. That makes most people in the developed world criminals.

That aside, the point is that naming someone a criminal has moralistic baggage, and by saying that anyone that breaks laws is a criminal thus immoral, you imply all laws are inherently moral.

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[-] Tb0n3@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

It's an infraction.

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[-] HK65@sopuli.xyz 1 points 4 months ago

Depends on the jurisdiction. In some places in some conditions going 50 in a 30 is a criminal act that can result in jail time.

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[-] Tb0n3@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 months ago

Just a bit more than "faster than the speed limit".

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[-] HK65@sopuli.xyz 1 points 4 months ago

It's not noticing a sign next to roadworks in a city, sadly not uncommon.

I meant km/h, 30 is a fast cycling speed, 50 is the usual residential area speed limit.

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[-] Micromot@feddit.org 0 points 4 months ago

That is indeed true, although then it is a pretty subjective label

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[-] dragonfucker@lemmy.nz 14 points 4 months ago

No. Luigi didn't shoot Brian Thompson. The police are lying.

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[+] Tb0n3@sh.itjust.works -10 points 4 months ago

Sounds like a delusional belief to me.

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[-] Routhinator@startrek.website 13 points 4 months ago

Sounds like you're into guilty until proven innocent, which is pretty warped.

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[-] Tb0n3@sh.itjust.works -2 points 4 months ago

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[-] TheFogan@programming.dev 2 points 4 months ago

I mean... if you are asking me based on the evidence I have seen... yeah.

On the other hand, if I lived in new york, and were selected as a Jury.... I'd say the evidence is not compelling.

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