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[-] Sgt_choke_n_stroke@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago

Grammer nazis are gonna love this. It's "Mrs you're making a scene" not "sir you're making a scene"

[-] JPAKx4@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 5 months ago

Best news I've heard all week.

[-] rickdg@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

Are we moving to inspecting genetalia? Can you be both a woman and a man in Trump’s America?

[-] AA5B@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

No, they need reproductive cells to decide whether they’re big or small - they need to watch you masturbate (for formerly male NBs) to completion

[-] Zahtu@feddit.org 2 points 5 months ago

Will they start by playing every previous Male 30% less?

[-] Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 5 months ago

The wage gap as you're thinking of it doesn't exist. Women aren't paid 30% less than men, all else being equal. The wage gap number comes from comparing the median total earnings of men working full time to the median total earnings of women working full time. That's it. It doesn't compare apples to apples, and any time you adjust to be closer to comparing apples to apples the gap shrinks. Just switching from total earnings to hourly wage eliminates a big chunk of it as most jobs are paid time and a half for overtime and a majority of overtime is worked by men. Differences in things like industry, position, tenure, career interruptions, etc all also play into it. To the point that young, childless, urban, college educated women actually earn more than young, childless, urban, college educated men.

[-] Zahtu@feddit.org 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

It wasnt meant to be that serious.

And no, the gender pay gap does exist, its calculated within each sector and the difference in Part-Time to full-time work is Accounted for: https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=Gender_pay_gap_statistics

Although its "only" 12% in reality

[-] Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 5 months ago

Since you'd gone with 30%, I was assuming you'd exaggerated the US pay gap rather than the EU one. Until I hit your link I was ready to pull out an old DoL report that did a multivariate analysis and ended up with a remaining unexplained gap small enough that it was within margin of error.

Doing some brief reading on the EU numbers from the link you provided I notice a demonstration of one of the things I was getting at - the EU number is much smaller than the US number because the EU number is hourly rather than total and thus mitigates differences in hours worked (since it is average gross hourly earnings it doesn't fully account for overtime, as overtime is typically paid at a higher rate) right out of the gate.

Another thing it notes that is worth pointing out is that the gap is smaller for young employees, which the link suggests could be due to career interruptions being longer and more frequent for women. The DoL report I mentioned earlier notes this as well for the US, and noted it as a pretty major factor - basically the longer and more frequent career interruptions for women on average lead to missed opportunities and small but lasting and cumulative damage to future earnings. Probably the biggest and most straightforward move to adjust this in favor of women would of all things be to expand parental leave for fathers in such a way that men are incentivized to make full use of it, which would significantly reduce the gap in number and length of career interruptions.

An article linked off that page suggests about 20% of the EU wage gap (~3% of the ~14% gap from the year the analysis was done) can be explained by factors they consider in their analysis, which is less thorough than the old DoL one as far as confounding factors and which they admit doesn't include all explanatory factors because the data needed simply isn't available. It's also all over the place when looking at individual EU countries as opposed to the EU average, which suggests that differences in culture and law between various EU countries probably plays a much bigger role than anything else.

Which brings me back to the whole "wage gap don't real" thing - women are not being paid dramatically less than men for doing the same work just because they are women, all else being equal. In no small part because all else isn't equal, and the more you try to account for that, the smaller the gap becomes (except apparently in Luxembourg and Romania, where it goes radically the other direction).

[-] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

Someone should go to the DMV and have their license changed to female lol.

[-] double_quack@lemm.ee 1 points 5 months ago

What I understand about the "intention of the text" is that:

  • XY: male.
  • XX: female.

People who's body or mind don't match with their genes would then be a male or a female with one or a combination of hormonal, developmental, or psychological issues.

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[-] Ohi@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

I was under the impression that the sperm that fertilizes the egg carries either an X chromosome or Y chromosome and that's what determines male or female. So that would mean conception is in fact when this gets decided, no? What am I missing here?

[-] Tudsamfa@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Sex isn't directly determined by chromosomes, it is determined by someone taking a look at the sex organs. This works for most people, but embryonic development is like most things complicated and there are a lot of factors that make it more difficult than "male" and "female". Examples are people with more than 2 chromosomes or that have absorbed a sibling in the womb. Difference of sex development is estimated to affect 1/100 people.

So when the doc takes a look just before 6 weeks, she must declare "the embryo has ovaries and no testes - female" at every single person. At literal conception: "Idk know, man, it is just 1 cell".

[-] Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 5 months ago

Sex isn’t directly determined by chromosomes, it is determined by someone taking a look at the sex organs.

I mean that's how it's usually observed, but not how it's determined. Those sex organs get there somehow. The general rule is that if you have a heightened level of androgens and nothing preventing you from responding to them at a certain point in fetal development then you develop male sex organs, if not you develop female sex organs. Barring some other medical disorder, those heightened androgens that masculinize the fetus are triggered by the action of the SRY gene on a Y chromosome.

Difference of sex development is estimated to affect 1/100 people.

If you include absolutely everything, yeah. But someone with Klinefelter's is in terms of sexual function male (if less fertile), someone with XXX is in the same way female, XX people with CAIS are in the same way female, etc. Cases where there's ambiguity in sexual function are much more rare.

But really all this is like making the argument that gloves shouldn't come in pairs with five fingers per glove because rarely people are born with syndactyly, polydactyly, etc. Like the definition Trump uses is stupid and wrong (not least because no one is producing gametes at conception) and it's at least even odds it makes him non-male since at his age he's probably shooting blanks, but to pretend that sex in humans doesn't come in two categories and an assortment of rare conditions in which something went wrong genetically or developmentally is kinda silly.

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