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Amazon is quitting Quebec to ‘shock and awe’ workers worldwide (breachmedia.ca)

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[-] ShareMySims@lemmy.dbzer0.com 126 points 1 year ago

The rich love convincing themselves (and the general population) that the working class and therefore society at large depends entirely on them and on their gracious "job creating" generosity to not only survive, but exist.

In reality it is the exact opposite that is true - without the workers to exploit, they are nothing, and if the workers of the world unite, we can get rid of them, and their oppressive systems, for good.

Imagine the shock and awe they would experience when that finally happens.

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[-] archonet@lemy.lol 75 points 1 year ago

Good, keep forming unions and keep making them shut down facilities. They're shitty places to work and fund a shitty human being, who funds other shitty human beings.

[-] Chuymatt@beehaw.org 12 points 1 year ago

Using the website keeps getting more and more shitty to use. Try to not fund them, folks.

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[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 47 points 1 year ago

Fuck you Amazon. I'm going to inconvenience myself a lot more from now on to stop giving you money.

[-] fourish@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago

Maybe having some laws that if a company decides to close a business after unionization then any remaining Canadian company assets are taxed at a rate to pay a reasonable living wage to those displaced. The alternative being complete withdrawal from the country.

[-] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 29 points 1 year ago

Even better, having laws that above a certain size, companies MUST have unions.

[-] InFerNo@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

20 or 50 people in my country, depending on sector, apparantly. Just had to look it up.

Used to know someone who had a chain of stores. He never went over the limit, he simply owned many smaller businesses that worked together under a unified brand name...

[-] fourish@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Yup I like it.

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[+] skizzles@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

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[-] LeFantome@programming.dev 5 points 1 year ago

I did not want to mix this with my other comment.

Globalization is collective bargaining in reverse. As we see here, if you unionize, the company just moves somewhere else. If you passed any of the laws you propose here, the company would simply avoid Canada all together. The outcome of that, zero jobs, is the same as what is happening now. Not an improvement.

As long as there are “other” workers and jurisdictions lining up to replace us, that “willing” replacement labour is the problem. It will be robots soon.

By the way, you get “arrested” for breaking the law. The “legal” responsibility of the CEO is to maximum returns for investors. We live in a system where the laws are the exact opposite of what you are proposing.

I do not see a legal solution that helps. A social movement will not help.

The only solution is investors.

[-] fourish@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

At their immediate manager’s pay rate if not the CEO’s pay rate.

[-] LeFantome@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago

The smartest part of this comment is “and their investors”. The CEO makes us mad be he is a distraction. This behaviour is driven by the desire to increase return for investors. The CEO is just one of them. The company has to do what investors want. This is probably what they want.

We cannot “tank the stock” unless we sell it. So, again, this is an action by investors.

Unless you just want something to be mad about, stay focussed on the actual problem.

[-] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 40 points 1 year ago

can you quit earth entirely please

[-] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago

An international Amazon union could accomplish that.

[-] SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 36 points 1 year ago

Amazon can go fuck itself!

[-] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 36 points 1 year ago

The solution would be easy if everyone would do it. Stop buying from Amazon. I'm trying to buy anything I need directly from the provider or at good old fashioned stores.

[-] BigBenis@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

I've been doing this since 2020. Just the other day I let it slip to some co-workers that I don't have a prime membership and the shock on their faces kinda spooked me.

[-] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

For watching prime, I aarrrrr

[-] FolknForage@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Amazon has been my last purchasing option for many years now - brick & mortar, CL/FB market used, eBay and then Amazon if all fails and I really need the thing.

Edit - the added benefit of this approach is that friction introduced in the process allows me a cool down period to evaluate whether something is truly needed. Reducing the friction is precisely part of Amazon’s business strategy, and why they had a patent on 1-click shopping until a few yrs ago.

[-] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 year ago

Even if something you actually need is only on Bezos' website, I've had some luck contacting a seller directly and arranging a sale that way.

[-] Slax@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

An alternative to eBay and PayPal is needed! Thiel is up there too with Musk and Bozo.

[-] mrtuttle@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 1 year ago

i use bookshop.org whenever i need to order a book online. a portion of the sale goes to my local book coop.

[-] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago

There ya go! Will get my books from there now

[-] BCsven@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago

I look locally for items online first, but where I am at some computer/hardware/tool items are hard to get especially with Canadian Tire turning into a terrible place to buy tools. Amazon is good for folks like my mom that doesn't drive and is not very mobile. Amazon will delivery heavy items to her door so she doesn't have to hobble out to a store

[-] Tehdastehdas@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

The solution would be easy if everyone would do it.

Always true, applies everywhere.

[-] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

It's pretty difficult to find a variety of things without using an evil big store, but nowadays people can use a temporary card service or a paypal service to shop at a variety of smaller specialist online stores with minimal risk of fraud anyways.

[-] uhmbah@lemmy.ca 30 points 1 year ago

This is not new. Walmart has done it as well.

Canadian government could give a shit.

https://www.ufcw.ca/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=668&Itemid=6&lang=en

[-] nik282000@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 year ago

The Canadian government is in favor of anti-union behaviour. See the last year of strikes and government intervention.

[-] NotSteve_@lemmy.ca 8 points 1 year ago

Yup. One of the reasons I don't like Trudeau. (Would take him over PP though)

[-] uhmbah@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago

Such a shitty situation. The devil you know, or the even worse devil you know.

[-] Jarix@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

He resigned so....

[-] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

We are all much more alike then we want to admit?

[-] FolknForage@lemm.ee 22 points 1 year ago

Oh no - what are quebequois (sp?) going to do without an Amazon warehouse in their region?!? How will they survive?!?

[-] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 year ago

#ByeByeBezos

[-] ALiteralCabbage@feddit.uk 11 points 1 year ago

Is unionising not protected in Canada?

[-] Tuxman@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 year ago

Yes, but only one of the 7 warehouses was unionized. So they are adamantly stating it had nothing to do with that (yeah, right…)

I guess mercury was in retrograde?

[-] ALiteralCabbage@feddit.uk 16 points 1 year ago

So, it's criminal to fire an individual after they join a union, but shutting a site is coincidence. Gotcha.

[-] Tuxman@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 year ago

You’re hired as regional operations manager! You’re gonna go far! 👍

[-] ALiteralCabbage@feddit.uk 6 points 1 year ago

Oh yeah, we're gonna bring in some entry-level graduates, farm some work out to Singapore, that's the usual deal.

[-] Frederic@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago

Yes, but Amazon said that before 2020 they used only 3rd party last mile delivery and it worked fine, so they are going back to it, "this has nothing to do with union".

[-] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 year ago

Can we get the Panier Bleue back then?

[-] Olhonestjim@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Is there a way to download wish lists? I want my book list before I delete Amazon.

[-] RvTV95XBeo@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 year ago

Screenshot and move on.

[-] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 year ago

I got a bunch of hits searching with "Export Amazon Wishlist"

[-] Xavier@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I am of the opinion that it will help Québec in the long run and give local companies some breathing room to innovate, test, fail, iterate, refine and discover better way to ship to customers (I pray for something better than Intelcom/Dragonfly 🙏🤣 ).

Amazon just dropped a huge marketshare of online purchases in Québec (51% of total value in dollars), they almost had the control on how local businesses would have to reach customers online and suck every profit out of each transactions.

Moreover, Amazon will now have to deal with higher rate of return, damaged and lost packages while on less than stellar delivery (I blame specifically Intelcom).

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