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[-] CarbonScored@hexbear.net 76 points 1 week ago

The headline is misleading. DeepSeek outperforms some benchmarks by <1%, and underperforms on some by 1-5%.

Not that there's a need to lie - China is still winning. Deepseek is definitely cheaper, enormously, massively so, and on-par with other latest AI models. I'm not sure it's totally positive news, because cheaper AI tends to mean more overall spending on AI, but China winning in this space is a definite lesser evil.

[-] uis@lemm.ee 1 points 6 days ago
[-] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 67 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

cheaply and less powerful

So AI could be more sustainable this whole time? Interesting…

Who wants to bet their AI will be used for more useful things too?

[-] somename@hexbear.net 67 points 1 week ago

AI, as in machine learning, has always had uses. Like, real useful additions to human capability. It’s very useful in pattern recognition and statistical analysis of various things.

Our more modern shit connotation comes from capitalists trying replace labor with generative AI, which is a small subset of potential machine learning uses, but by its nature sends massive amounts of shlock at us.

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[-] DefinitelyNotAPhone@hexbear.net 36 points 1 week ago

Having dealt with ML engineers in depth before, American tech companies tend to throw blank checks their way which, combined with them not tending to have backgrounds in optimization or infrastructure, means they spin up 8 billion GPU instances in the cloud and use 10% of them ever because engineers are lazy.

They could, without any exaggeration, reduce their energy consumption by a factor of ten with about two weeks of honest engineering work. Yes this bothers the fuck out of me.

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[-] hello_hello@hexbear.net 29 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Who wants to bet their AI will be used for more useful things too?

Unlike in the West where if Nvidia tanks then the entire US economy goes down with it.

[-] Sulvor@hexbear.net 25 points 1 week ago

Is it actually “sustainable” though? I’d like to see some wattage numbers.

I said this in the other thread but I’ll say it again: our sophisticated artificial intelligence, their planet burning chatbot.

[-] starkillerfish@hexbear.net 23 points 1 week ago

Idk about sustainability. It still requires massive computing infrastructure, which for now requires unsustainable ways of sourcing metals

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[-] CthulhusIntern@hexbear.net 43 points 1 week ago

Man, at this rate, China is going to somehow create a cryptocurrency or NFT that actually works and isn't a scam.

[-] JustSo@hexbear.net 41 points 1 week ago

BRICScoin when

[-] Redderthanmisty@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 1 week ago

Well they are looking to create an alternative currency to USD for global trade.

[-] halfpipe@hexbear.net 38 points 1 week ago

I've been messing around with deepseek, and I can already tell it's much smoother and more coherent than chatgpt or gemini.

It also doesn't have the limiters of the American LLMs, where they accidentally generate a true statement about history or politics that doesn't show the US in a good light, and then have to stop and argue themselves back into the neoliberal / US state department position.

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[-] Beaver@hexbear.net 38 points 1 week ago

An incredible outcome would be if the US stock market bubble pops because Chinese developed open-source AI that can run locally on your phone end up being about as good as Silicon Valley's stuff.

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[-] SerLava@hexbear.net 37 points 1 week ago

This is about to make me go

AI geordi-no

AI, China geordi-yes

[-] wombat@hexbear.net 36 points 1 week ago

china is reaching levels of basedness long thought impossible

[-] RNAi@hexbear.net 45 points 1 week ago

wojak-nooo AI garbage

so-true AI garbage, China

[-] wombat@hexbear.net 2 points 6 days ago

this but unironically

[-] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 27 points 1 week ago

Why is it based when China does it? It's still bazinga until I hear otherwise, glad they're owning the Yanks tho

[-] SoloboiNanook@hexbear.net 2 points 6 days ago

It's not going away. Probably every. So might as well be happier when China does better with it

[-] SuperZutsuki@hexbear.net 28 points 1 week ago

It may eventually be useful and because they're destroying OpenAI and all the other bullshit it's worth it anyway

[-] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 17 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

The US Govt. is pumping billions into this shit industry. It will be so funny when it bursts

[-] vegeta1@hexbear.net 34 points 1 week ago

I know this shit keeping em awake because mandem talking about 500 billion investment while they're ringing the alarm on an open source AI ^___^

[-] Hohsia@hexbear.net 33 points 1 week ago
[-] buckykat@hexbear.net 51 points 1 week ago

China's beating the US at the actual second space race too

[-] Tabitha@hexbear.net 19 points 1 week ago

proof? I'm not a skeptic, just a lore enthusiast.

[-] nasezero@hexbear.net 25 points 1 week ago
[-] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

They have a microwave oven on the Tiangong, which is a luxury (in space). On the ISS they use a heating pad to warm their food, because the station doesn't have enough wattage for a microwave. cheems

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[-] KoboldKomrade@hexbear.net 19 points 1 week ago

To add: They have an actual plan on manned landings on the moon within the next 5 years (possibly within 3).

And its really funny to see all "Successes" down the list of these while SpaceSux has a worse record then the average Kerbal.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Lunar_Exploration_Program

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[-] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

China has its own space station, and it's newer and more advanced than the ISS.

The last time the US had an operational space station all of its own was 1979.

Edit: I see nasezero had already mentioned it, heh.

Edit2: Fuuuuuu---I'm about to start up Kerbal Space Program now.

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[-] hello_hello@hexbear.net 32 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Space race but instead of human achievement it's who can generate the most slop possible.

And China is winning with only one hand. The other is building high speed rail train-shining

[-] miz@hexbear.net 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

computer, write me a happy song that references China having many sputnik moments and scaring the shit out of western chauvinists

[-] ExotiqueMatter@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

"B-but the tech sanctions were supposed to protect our treat machine scam?! I don't understand!"

[-] godlessworm@hexbear.net 21 points 1 week ago

mashallah xi ai can continue to lead china prosperously long after xi is gone

[-] CrawlMarks@hexbear.net 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I feel like they could have picked a better name than deepseek

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