Trump wants Jordan and Egypt to accept more Palestinian refugees and floats plan to 'clean out' Gaza : world

[-] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 54 points 5 days ago

so glad we saved the Gazans from kamala harris. glad we did that

[+] NewDark@lemmings.world -15 points 5 days ago

If you think Kamala would have done anything different, you've lost the plot.

[-] Petter1@lemm.ee 2 points 3 days ago

If she would’ve not made anything different, how was this then a reason to vote orange?

I mean Mister T makes a lot things worse than, I suppose, Kamala would have, especially within USA (makes live harder for minorities, gives too much power to cooperations, doesn’t do what he says / says anything he believes wants to be heard no matter the facts, tear families appart, etc.)

Or have I understood something wrong?

[-] NewDark@lemmings.world 1 points 3 days ago

It's a reason to sit out the election, which is moreso what happened. Democrats lost about 11mil voters, Republicans lost 3mil. Numbers might be off given some fraction has been counted. General concept is solid.

[-] Petter1@lemm.ee 1 points 3 days ago

I see the result as more “left” people of them who know the USA election are awful, are to dumb to see that they make it even worse by not voting (since in a 2 party setup not voting = voting for the other)

I see a bigger chance in fixing democracy without violence with dems in power compared to with rebs in power.

But this is just a view from an outsider.

[-] NewDark@lemmings.world 1 points 3 days ago

since in a 2 party setup not voting = voting for the other

Sick, so my non-vote for Trump was a vote for Kamala. And my non-vote for Kamala was a vote for Trump!

Looks like I'm so cool I'm doing election fraud! (I voted PSL fwiw).

Liberals are so funny thinking the system isn't geared fully towards capital interest and there's a chance you can bend it to work at the behest of workers is so funny. You're adorable.

[-] Petter1@lemm.ee 1 points 2 days ago

PSL doesn’t matter, if nobody hears from than during election. If you are voting PSL, this rule applies as well, in the current political landscape of America. You vote had no potential in meaning anything in 2024.

I think, it would be great if PSL president could have given their received votes to one of the other parties after seeing defeat, or that presidents have to win the absolute majority of voters, not just majority.

Than your vote would not have been voided.

[-] NewDark@lemmings.world 1 points 2 days ago

Yep, but I didn't vote for either genocidal corporate party. Harm reduction arguments are pretty valid but the line has to be somewhere. If that offends you, take it up with the Democrats for running a dogshit campaign.

[-] Petter1@lemm.ee 1 points 2 days ago

I am only talking about the effects of your ballot ultimately helped trump to win, since he had now one vote less to win against.

Of course, I understand, that you would have to vote against your interests, if you voted blue.

Next time, make sure that more people in America know the third-parties, write to people, talk to people, organise rallys, make ads, etc.

Then your ballot is not worth nothing if you vote third-party, because then other know that their vote is joined with others and gains momentum.

[-] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 9 points 5 days ago

I think that line of thinking either heavy cope or just bad faith politics circl jerk,

if you vote for my guy, the genocide would be less bad 🤡

[-] NewDark@lemmings.world 1 points 5 days ago

I said they would be the same on Israel/Palestine (or mostly indistinguishable anyway), not claiming one would be better or worse there.

You won't win people over by blaming voters sitting this one out for not co-signing a geonicide.

[-] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 3 points 5 days ago

100%

[-] JokeDeity@lemm.ee -1 points 4 days ago

What's the Kremlin like?

[-] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 2 points 4 days ago

What's the Kremlin like?

[-] NewDark@lemmings.world 0 points 3 days ago

What's being a bot like?

[-] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 0 points 3 days ago

Seems like repeating nonsense propaganda created to directly mislead is more bot behavior.

[-] rickdg@lemmy.world 21 points 5 days ago

People stayed home and let any possibility for a two-states solution evaporate. I’m sure they’re glad to move the discussion towards turning Gaza into a Trump resort.

[-] procrastitron@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago

Any chance for a two state solution has been dead for decades, and everyone knows it.

The Israelis have intentionally carved up Palestinian territories with the explicit goal of making a viable state impossible, and they passed that point long ago.

Politicians talking about a two state solution have just been lying to you.

The only viable solution is a one state solution, and that one state would be majority Muslim.

That’s why the Zionists are so dead set on committing genocide and ethnic cleansing; it’s the only way Israel will actually still exist with its current form of government 50+ years from now.

The alternative is a state where the majority of people are not Jewish so the state itself can’t be tied to Judaism unless the majority are being subjected by a minority, and that is not sustainable.

[-] Petter1@lemm.ee 1 points 3 days ago

I believe a state where religion and politics are separated would be awesome..

I hate religion

Only war, drama and sadness spawns from that shit..

[-] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 5 points 4 days ago

Remember when all the bots and trolls put all their energy into saying don't vote for Kamala because of what she might not do for Palestine? REMEMBER THAT SHIT??

[-] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

This is why neighbor countries haven't taken in refugees:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_September

If it was as easy as taking in refugees, this would have been solved 50 years ago.

[-] NewDark@lemmings.world 12 points 4 days ago

They shouldn't have to leave their homes and homeland because some westerners want to ethnically cleanse them from the land.

[-] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

They absolutely shouldn't. The entire premise where Israel took Palestinians land by violence should have been stopped 60 years ago.

But if Palestinians want to leave, they should have a place to go. But neighboring countries won't allow it.

[-] liyunxiao@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 days ago

This is the same plan Biden had.

[-] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 3 points 5 days ago

This is what the israel going to do... It doesn't matter what some cuck in a white house has to say.

Israel is calling shots

[-] liyunxiao@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 days ago

Except they can only do this with us military backing. If the US didn't back Israel when Iran attacked, Palestine would currently be the only country in that territory.

[-] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 3 points 5 days ago

That is true but it does not change that US behaves as a junior alliance partner vis-a-vis Israel. This could flip and like will once boomers start die off properly but AIPAC lobby is strong so time will tell.

[+] shoulderoforion@fedia.io -13 points 5 days ago

well, leftists/ squad progressives did tell all the young democrats not to vote for Joe/Kamala, so they didn't vote. with literally everything at stake, having already lost things like federally protected safe abortion access. you know who did turn out, young people, arab americans, and latino americans who voted for trump, think that made up ~ 2.3% and the differece between the young people who didn't vote democrat and the "new republicans" tilted the balance in the swing states? nah, probably not, right. do they call that a phyrric victory? no that's egyptian. anyway, congratulations to everyone who marched on every major us city, and took over campus commons across the nation in the spring and summer of an election year, chanting "from the river to the sea". i wonder if that scared the bezeezus outta just middle america or all of it. nah, probably had nothing to do with it. anyway, enjoy your victory over "genocide joe" (kamala) folks

[-] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 24 points 5 days ago

i marched and everyone i talked to in person was adamant that their goal was to shift kamala left, not to shift the election toward trump. i get your anger about the election, but don't let the terminally online color what those protestors really wanted. they're also now the most organized resistance against trump. they're still working, even under threat of violence from the national guard. they're heroes, not villains

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago

Yeah, fuck the terminally online twats who pushed 'both sides are the same', but anti-genocide protesters were not inherently contributors to the outcome we received. They were a voice of conscience to a nation that was still not ready to heed it. Unfortunately.

[-] Petter1@lemm.ee 1 points 3 days ago

That is good to hear, USA needs an up to date constitution, like a complete refactoring

I don’t see blue nor red changing the political landscape or even a tiny bit in the constitution, so it has to be the people, I fear.

There must be a way for the people of USA to vote for a change in constitution, here in switzerland, it is called an initiative. If enough people sign to approve that initiative, there will be a nation wide vote, where the majority of the people and the majority of the cantons (states) approves this initiative.

[-] GBU_28@lemm.ee 5 points 5 days ago

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

The consequences were known, and they've arrived

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world -1 points 5 days ago

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[-] droporain@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 5 days ago

Hey I voted for her so hard in the emergency primary.

[+] timewarp@lemmy.world -6 points 5 days ago

Me too. Thanks Democrats for having that primary instead of anointing the unpopular President's VP.

[-] droporain@lemmynsfw.com -1 points 5 days ago

It was her turn though. Man the butt hurt crying when I suggested she was Hillary 2.0. bans and slurs I was a Russian or right winger. I will tell you this it doesn't feel good to be right, I'm too old for this shit. On the other hand dems are still clueless why they lost.

[-] timewarp@lemmy.world -1 points 4 days ago

Yeah... being a rational critical thinker is isolating. It's always interesting though, especially when Democrats call you a Nazi for not agreeing with them, ban you & tell you they hope you get your head caved in. I wonder if they'll ever take responsibility for their own actions, or if we'll always just be Russian Nazi bots to them.

[-] Petter1@lemm.ee 2 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Duudes! Exactly that thinking is the demise of USA. It is not just us and them, there is not just black and white, not all democrats are the same, not all republicans are the same, not all of those people should be in the same party with such different views.

No wonder you get just extremists in your political system…

Split those fucking parties, best each in about 10 pieces.

[-] Tinidril@midwest.social 14 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

well, progressives did tell all the young democrats not to vote for Joe/Kamala

Bullshit. "Progressives" did no such thing. Progressives are the most loyal and reliable voting base in American politics, with even more consistency than "Bible and flag" conservatives. Progressives also make up the bulk of grassroots Democratic activism and do most of the volunteer work for Democratic candidates. That is despite being shit on constantly, just like you are doing now. Democrats don't deserve progressive votes, but they have them.

congratulations to everyone who marched on every major us city, and took over campus commons across the nation in the spring and summer of an election year...

Maybe Joe and Kamala shouldn't have been supporting a genocide in "an election year". It's funny how you baselessly blame progressives while putting no blame whatsoever on the candidates themselves! It's so incredibly fucked that Biden thought he could run again and that Kamala didn't even seek the appearance of being democratically nominated. We lost to Trump because of gross incompetence on the part of Democratic leadership.

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