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submitted 10 months ago by original_reader@lemm.ee to c/linux@lemmy.ml

VirtualBox is ridiculously simple to set up and get virtual machines going. Shared folders, shared clipboard and much more are no issue.

But.

It eats resources. The installed virtual machines (VM) run relatively slow. What have you found to be feature comparable - and most importantly more resource-efficient - alternatives for running VMs under Linux?

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[-] eugenia@lemmy.ml 58 points 10 months ago

Under Linux, the recommended route is KVM/Qemu, with Virt-Manager as the GUI front-end for them. You will need to follow tutorials to install it correctly, as it requires special steps, e.g. adding them to specific usergroups. But once it works, it works well.

[-] Damage@feddit.it 15 points 10 months ago

definitely not as easy as virtualbox

[-] frankfurt_schoolgirl@hexbear.net 5 points 10 months ago

Gnome Boxes is about as easy as virtual box, and wont break your kernel.

[-] perishthethought@lemm.ee 11 points 10 months ago

Yes, I just switched to Qemu. Its great.

This video helped:

https://youtu.be/BgZHbCDFODk

[-] golden_zealot@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 months ago

Yea, the installation isn't too difficult. Looking at my groups as well I think it's only the libvirt group that you have to add a user to for KVM/QEMU with Virt-Manager, but the same could be said for VirtualBox as I believe you have to still add the user to the vboxusers group if you were to install it instead.

[-] original_reader@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago

Not for the faint of heart, but I'll keep it in mind.

[-] Filetternavn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 42 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

virt-manager is my go-to. There's also Gnome Boxes, but I've never used it myself. virt-manager is the best I've tried, personally. Both use KVM, so they should be much more resource efficient

[-] jet@hackertalks.com 30 points 10 months ago

KVM, QEMU are the most common solutions here

[-] wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works 20 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

https://virt-manager.org/ is a no brainer. Built upon libvirt/Qemu/KVM it's way more powerful and pretty much just as easy to use. There is zero reasons to use anything else.

[-] Zachariah@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

How easy is it to convert a VirtualBox machine+hdd to Virt Manager?

[-] wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works 21 points 10 months ago

Pretty damn easy.

qemu-img convert -f vdi -O qcow2 Windows10.vdi Windows10.qcow2

Here's a more complete guide: https://cubiclenate.com/2024/05/30/converting-vdi-to-qcow2-step-by-step-guide-for-virt-manager-migration/

[-] foremanguy92_@lemmy.ml 15 points 10 months ago

Definitely if you're on Linux, use Qemu (and the best is to install a GUI to use it after)

[-] CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago

I use Quickemu for mine, makes it really quick and easy to get a new system up and running.

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[-] original_reader@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago

I've looked at it. It comes up a lot. Thank you.

[-] foremanguy92_@lemmy.ml 1 points 10 months ago

Did you use virt-manager with it?

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[-] testman@lemmy.ml 14 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

As jet points out, QEMU for actual hardware virtualisation.

There is one relevant thing, which is not exactly in the same category, but does somewhat similar thing:
containers
most popular example being Docker
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Containerization_(computing)
containers don't emulate whole hardware stack like virtual machines do, they just run the guest OS on top of host OS.
so because they don't put resources towards emulating hardware, they are much more resource efficient.
so if your problem is "I'm running Fedora but I want to run something that for some reason runs just on Ubuntu", then you could use containers for that.
containers are mostly used in headless environments (as in servers, no GUI), so running and displaying desktop Linux inside them is a bit tricky, but it can be done.

[-] FrostyPolicy@suppo.fi 12 points 10 months ago

they emulate just the OS

Containers don't emulate anything. They have an OS installed within them. Typically you use Alpine Linux which super minimalistic and lightweight.

[-] testman@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago

yes, valid point, thank you for the correction

[-] stsquad@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago

I've been using https://containertoolbx.org/ recently to manage my "other distro" requirements. It doesn't do anything special but works nicely as a wrapper around podman and does all the bind mounts and uid mappings so you can just enter your $HOME as though you have set up your account in a new OS.

[-] PureTryOut@lemmy.kde.social 2 points 10 months ago

Distrobox is Toolbx but more portable (packaged on basically all distributions) and supports way more distributions as guests. I recommend using that if not on Fedora or you want to run a different guest than Fedora.

[-] sun_is_ra@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

for running GUI app, I use flatpak which is a sort of a container / sandbox

[-] furrowsofar@beehaw.org 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Virtualbox should not run slowly in terms of compute. Make sure your allocating enough cores and memory, and VT/AMD-V is enabled in the BIOS of the host. Also Guest additions should be installed. Not sure but that might help IO speeds.

What might be slow, Graphics may not be acceralerated. Exactly what VM software to use, what it works with, and actually getting it to work can be challanging. Installing guest drivers though is probably required.

For Linux KVM solutions are probably preferred and more native solution but more technical to use. Getting graphics acceleration with KVM has been challenging, though may be possible. KVM is used widely on servers, but is not that desktop friendly.

All VM solutions are resource intensive. Use containers and/or native software to reduce/avoid that.

Edit: I myself have used VirtualBox but these days I use KVM including on my workstation.

[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Vagrant by Hashicorp.

Edit: if the news of IBM acquiring them goes through, I will cry. And we live in the worst timeline, so it'll happen.

[-] eldavi@lemmy.ml 8 points 10 months ago

ibm is going to buy the entire ansible-verse; so be ready.

i will weep with you in solidarity. 😉

[-] milliams@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

While it wasn't a requirement, be aware that Vagrant (along with all Hashicorp products) are no longer free software and are instead under the Business Software Licence.

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[-] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

I haven't used it nearly as much as VirtualBox but Boxes (flatpak) is definitely a breeze to use. It uses KVM under the hood I think. If your use cases are complicated it might abstract away too much though.

[-] Mwa@lemm.ee 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Qemu/Kvm or VMware(Sadly only works on some distros and vmware works best with Windows)

[-] dinckelman@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

Especially on Linux, libvirt/qemu on kvm is a no-brainer. It works, it's fast, the setup is practically effortless

[-] OneRedFox@beehaw.org 5 points 10 months ago

I've been using Virt-Manager with KVM/Qemu and don't have any complaints.

[-] 0v0@sopuli.xyz 5 points 10 months ago
[-] original_reader@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago

This has been mentioned a few times here. Didn't know that. Thank you.

[-] Jestzer@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

I don’t know if it’s more resource-efficient, but when I wanted to start using VMs for work, I knew VirtualBox would not be a viable choice (thanks to Oracle and their horrible licensing), so I chose GNOME Boxes and have been pretty happy with it. I didn’t do any tests so I can’t say for certain , but it doesn’t seem like the resource consumption is that much different.

[-] twinnie@feddit.uk 3 points 10 months ago

What about VMware Workstation Pro? Or are you looking for something FOSS? It’s easy to download without creating an account and I found it easier to setup that VB. I actually switched because I’d been having connectivity issues with VB and it took me a year to realise it was a VB issue.

[-] ColdWater@lemmy.ca 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

VMware workstation is free, it's not open source but it's faster than VirtualBox, if you want GPU passthrough KVM is the only choice but require quite bit of effort to setup

[-] jaypatelani@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago
[-] elucubra@sopuli.xyz 2 points 10 months ago

You can specify the virtualization engine in VirtualBox, including KVM.

A couple of easy virtualization tools that allow you to create VMs in a few clicks are Gnome Boxes and QuickEmu, which leverages Qemu and KVM

[-] original_reader@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago

Good tip. Thanks.

[-] mvirts@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Virt-manager with qemu-system, although if you use the kvm driver for both performance should be about the same I think.

Don't forget virtualbox has a lot of configuration options that may improve performance, Ive never had a problem with it but also never need high performance from a VM.

[-] purplemeowanon@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago
[-] original_reader@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago

This "Beginners Guide" they have there is a serious turnoff. They might want to consider a more lightweight and friendly intro to their software. 😄

Still, if I find the time to go through this massive wall of text, I will.

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[-] vga@sopuli.xyz 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Might be that you really don't need VMs but just lightweight namespace containers. If so, you can use docker/podman, systemd-nspawn or various other tools. The overhead will be less than 1% if you stay within the same architecture as your host.

https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Systemd-nspawn

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