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Summarizing video showing MS' horrible practicies regarding Office 365's subscription tiers, where they basically forcefully upgrade you to a higher tier subscription, and at the same time renaming the tier names so you won't notice...

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[-] Norin@lemmy.world 23 points 4 months ago

Individual users can make use of free alternatives pretty easily, but I’m not sure they’re actually the target for the price increase here.

Schools, governments, businesses, and other institutions pay wild amounts to MS every year.

[-] ADKSilence@piefed.social 13 points 4 months ago

The same tool that can be used to permanently activate a Windows install can be used to permanently activate an Office install as well; including 365.

Oh, and the tool to do so is open-source.

Or you could just dump Microsoft entirely (unless you need Excel in particular). Either way, it's free.

[-] Norin@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

Individuals can do that, and they should if they feel like keeping MS.

Organizations are, unfortunately, probably going to remain stagnant and keep paying millions to for things that have free alternatives.

It’s actually really infuriating. When I was in grad school I filed an information request with the college to see how much they paid for access to Office 365 each year. This was in 2021 and they were paying 4 million a year. Meanwhile their grad student employees were all living deeply below the poverty line.

[-] bamboo@lemm.ee 9 points 4 months ago

Organizations aren’t just paying for access to applications, they’re also paying for cloud storage, email hosting, calendar tools, training, and all of the infrastructure to support that. Typically when you price out the cost of expanding the in-house IT department and the cost of acquiring and maintaining the infrastructure required to replicate the various cloud services, it ends up being break even at best. Qualified people who can set up and maintain infrastructure are quite expensive, especially when having to maintain high uptime/availability, 24/7 incident response, and compliance with various regulations, like those to protect students’ privacy.

[-] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org -2 points 4 months ago

The fact that micro-shit is getting paid by government and school districts for their slop is an abomination... But more realistically corruption within these procurement offices IMHO

[-] Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe 4 points 4 months ago

Oh, wow, I didn't realize masgravel license 365 too.

[-] deleted@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

They’re speed running their product enshitification.

Video summary by Ollama AI:

The video discusses several shady practices employed by Microsoft, including:

  1. Forced upselling: Microsoft changed the plan and pricing of a user's Office 365 subscription without their consent, effectively forcing them to pay more for features they didn't want.
  2. Renaming and hiding plans: Microsoft renamed an existing plan (e.g., "Personal" to "Classic") and made it less visible in the user interface, while introducing a new plan with similar features at a higher price point.
  3. Hallucination problem: The AI-powered feature "co-pilot" generated fabricated information, which is a known issue in generative AI.
  4. Overpromising free benefits: Microsoft sales representatives touted "free AI credits" as a benefit of the more expensive plan, but these credits were not actually free and had limited value.
  5. Misleading users about pricing changes: The price hike was effectively hidden by renaming and rebranding existing plans, making it unclear whether the user's subscription had actually changed in price.

The video suggests that Microsoft engaged in these practices to push customers into using features they might not want or need, rather than providing transparent and honest information about their plans and pricing.

[-] criss_cross@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Is this using ollama on the console?

I've been missing out on great ai use cases if I can just ask it to summarize a YouTube link.

[-] deleted@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

No. I used Open WebUI.

https://github.com/open-webui/open-webui

It’s a UI for ollama. You can share links and ask it questions about the link provided or upload a document such as user manuals to get answers from such documents.

It’s a great tool that utilize Ollama to its full potential.

[-] Darken@reddthat.com 5 points 4 months ago

Yea piracy is way less bullsh. Than legit software

Just don't download from untrusted sources

[-] TownhouseGloryHole@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

Unlike 20 years ago, there are some truly great alternatives now too.

[-] otp@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 months ago

My favourite part was one comment that said "If they simply let you turn off the Copilot stuff, you'd just be sitting there paying the increased fee"

[-] Jacob_Mandarin@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Mine too. But i think they wont let you do that to bolster their AI usage numbers in front of investors. So even if it causes people to notice and make them less money, it might still be a net positive for share price.

[-] shoulderoforion@fedia.io 3 points 4 months ago
  1. Log into Microsoft Account
  2. Go to Subscriptions Page
  3. Choose 365 Subscription
  4. Choose Cancel option
  5. Choose to "switch" to Classic version
  6. Accept pop up which says you won't be charged today, but will be charged on your regular annual subscription renewal date as usual
  7. Profit (well, not lose more)
[-] ForgotAboutDre@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago
  1. Log into Microsoft Account
  2. Go to Subscriptions Page
  3. Choose 365 Subscription
  4. Choose Cancel option
[-] RunawayFixer@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Canceling to downgrade your 365 subscription is the "normal" Microsoft way, so that part is not a new scummy practice that was invented for this scummy occasion. I do hope this forced upsell comes back to bite Microsoft in the ass, most consumers won't be aware of the downgrade option, but consumer agencies shouldn't let this slide, it's setting a very bad precedent.

The ms instructions:

  1. Go to Services & subscriptions and if prompted, sign in with the Microsoft account associated with your subscription.
  2. Find your current subscription and select Manage > Cancel subscription.
  3. The Cancel page will show you the features of your current subscription plan. If you're switching to another plan with less features, select the plan that works for you.
  4. Follow the instructions to complete the switch. Your existing subscription might not change immediately, but it will automatically change to the new plan when the plan renews. You won't be charged for the new plan until it renews into that plan.
    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/switch-between-microsoft-365-subscriptions-3fcc1efc-2722-427f-8efa-db94b9b0a36b
[-] Varying9125@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

shoutout to massgrave.dev

[-] HeyJoe@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

I know people mentioned the free alternatives, but if the subscription is really just for office, then why not buy a license to a non web based office version? They do still make them, as much as they want to remove them completely. You can even get them heavily discounted off 3rd party sites. I got my copy of 2019 for like $20 a year before it went EOL and I'm still using it because I really don't have the highest use for it. If you want office 2021, which is good with support until end of 2026, it's about $50 right now but I see them go lower all the time and can probably get it for $30. This is the pro version as well. Sadly I don't see office 2024 for sale yet on my site but I guarantee it will be a year from now.

[-] MutilationWave@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

Could you name the site for people who could really use this?

[-] Fiery@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 months ago

Not the site you're looking for, but Massgravel's MAS (GitHub link) works just fine to activate any office or Windows install for free.

Not really 100% legal, but seeing as the scripts have been available on a M$ platform without being taken down it's pretty safe to assume M$ doesn't care. (They make their money from enterprise customers anyways)

[-] Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 months ago

I’ve dropped Microsoft Office for OnlyOffice and so far I have no regrets. The one issues it has, on MacOS only, is that it does not support multiple windows. There is a workaround using the command line I believe. Otherwise it is very good and the formulas are basically 1:1 with Excel.

[-] JudahBenHur@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago

why did you go w only office instead of LibreOffice?

[-] Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 months ago

The UI, LibreOffice looks like it’s stuck in 2007, OnlyOffice has basically the same UI as Microsoft Office. I know that’s a negative for a lot of people but it’s what I’m used to already.

[-] JudahBenHur@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago

fair enough.

honestly if i had my way i'd still use windows 98 and AI would have never been developed. same with facebook.

[-] Siegfried@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

Libreoffice also has a ribbon ui option

Link

[-] zephorah@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago

I haven’t done office in a while. The inception of the subscription model killed it completely for me. Scrivener is better organized for big projects. And there’s plenty of small word programs that get the job done for things like resumes and such, in lieu of Microsoft Word.

I had an older student office disc. Microsoft wouldn’t allow installation.

And then Adobe stealthed onto my elderly parents computer and killed all their photo files. Demoralizing to say the least. They won’t even engage their favorite hobby any more.

The enshittification is real.

[-] Brumefey@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 months ago

And then Adobe stealthed onto my elderly parents computer and killed all their photo files.

Could you elaborate on this ?

[-] Retro_unlimited@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

If they are on windows, did it just change the default program that opens photos? You can go in the properties and change the default program.

[-] Docus@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

Wait what! Adobe killed photo files??

[-] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 4 months ago

This dude from my rave days creeped me out so much and it turned out he’s a photo file

[-] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org -1 points 4 months ago

Deny the parasite profit.

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